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Rugby Union All-Time Draft
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Johnners
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Gary Teichmann (#8)
Just need a winger now, and preferably one that's a goalkicker, will be difficult
Clapo
Tony Woodcock (#1)
John Smit (#2)
Carl Hayman (#3)
Nathan Sharpe (#4)
Fabien Pelous (#5)
Owen Finegan (#6)
Richie McCaw (#7)
Gary Teichmann (#8)
Justin Marshall (#9)
Stephen Larkham (#10)
Jeremy Guscott (#12)
Will Greenwood (#13)
Jeff Wilson (#14)
JPR Williams (#15)
Just need a winger now, and preferably one that's a goalkicker, will be difficult
Clapo
Tony Woodcock (#1)
John Smit (#2)
Carl Hayman (#3)
Nathan Sharpe (#4)
Fabien Pelous (#5)
Owen Finegan (#6)
Richie McCaw (#7)
Gary Teichmann (#8)
Justin Marshall (#9)
Stephen Larkham (#10)
Jeremy Guscott (#12)
Will Greenwood (#13)
Jeff Wilson (#14)
JPR Williams (#15)
ripper868
International Coach
Well Since the rest of ye have all picked props I'll take mine now.
Peter "Fats" Fatialofa completes my team. Certainly not one of the most celebrated props and probably not one of the best remaining. I just cant say to a prop with "fats" as his nickname. Long live Western Samoa.
ripper868
Federico Mendez Azpillaga (#1)
Keith Wood (#2)
Peter Fatialofa (#3)
Robin Brooke (#4)
Malcolm O'Kelly (#5)
Dave Gallaher (#6)
Peter Winterbottom (#7)
Viliami (William) Ofahengaue (#8)
Nick Farr-Jones (#9)
Naas Botha (#10)
Ben Tune (#11)
Brian Lima (#12)
Phillippe Sella (#13)
Rory Underwood (#14)
Gavin Hastings (#15)
Peter "Fats" Fatialofa completes my team. Certainly not one of the most celebrated props and probably not one of the best remaining. I just cant say to a prop with "fats" as his nickname. Long live Western Samoa.
ripper868
Federico Mendez Azpillaga (#1)
Keith Wood (#2)
Peter Fatialofa (#3)
Robin Brooke (#4)
Malcolm O'Kelly (#5)
Dave Gallaher (#6)
Peter Winterbottom (#7)
Viliami (William) Ofahengaue (#8)
Nick Farr-Jones (#9)
Naas Botha (#10)
Ben Tune (#11)
Brian Lima (#12)
Phillippe Sella (#13)
Rory Underwood (#14)
Gavin Hastings (#15)
ripper868
International Coach
tbh i didn't see your post.
Somerset
Cricketer Of The Year
For my lock I'm selecting Wade Dooley, was apparently 6ft8'' and good enough to represent England 55 times - before Martin Johnson took his spot.
As Michael doesn't need any more backs I think its safe enough to select my winger and a Japanese one at that - Daisuke Ohata, the leading try scorer in international rugby. I was actually planning on being really cruel and selecting Jonny Wilkinson, playing Carter at 12, Mortlock at 13 and Boniface on the wing as all three players that would have to shift would have played in their adjusted positions anyway - decided against it at the last minute and opted for a specialist winger.
As Michael doesn't need any more backs I think its safe enough to select my winger and a Japanese one at that - Daisuke Ohata, the leading try scorer in international rugby. I was actually planning on being really cruel and selecting Jonny Wilkinson, playing Carter at 12, Mortlock at 13 and Boniface on the wing as all three players that would have to shift would have played in their adjusted positions anyway - decided against it at the last minute and opted for a specialist winger.
Michaelf7777777
International Debutant
Andy Dalton (#2) and Waka Nathan (#7) for my final picks please
OK now that everybody has picked their hookers I might as well complete my final selection at hooker.
This was really tough, not because there weren't many great hookers left, but how to distinguish one?
I considered Philippe Dintrans - often considered France's best hooker. He's been described as a little dynamo in the mold of Hika Reid, only better, and a tremendous ball carrier. I also considered Dintrans successor in Daniel Dubroca. But then I started to think about Colin Deans, who is generally regarded as Scotland's greatest ever hooker. I'd rather pick Deans over Dintrans because Deans was selected by a panel consisting of Gareth Edwards, David Kirk, Jean-Pierre Rives and two others who escape my mind right now, as being the best hooker of the 80s. Deans was well-known was being able to cover the ground in a manner unseen by a hooker before.
Originally I was going to select Bobby Windsor, primarily because I was, somewhat inadvertedly, on track to selecting the same tight-five as the 1974 British Lions. I figured I'd have a good shot at winning this if I could show I selected a tight-five which was arguably the best ever. But then Indipper had to select Mighty Mouse and ruined that. I continued to consider Windsor, but then I recall a few Welsh XV's that I've seen where Bryn Meredith is labelled their greatest ever hooker. For a long time I figured nobody would select him, and he'd be a steal for me. Although he played an important role in the 1956 tour to South Africa, he didn't play for the Lions in 1959 because he was displaced by Ronnie Dawson.
So then I considered both Karl Mullen and Ronnie Dawson - two famous Irish hookers. Of the two I was going to select Mullen, who was part of the last Irish side to win the Grand Slam in 1948... although I might not be saying that in a week.
I considered selecting Uli Schmidt early on. Voltman ruined that. But I hesitated on Schmidt because he didn't play much rugby. He scored an amazing try for a hooker during the Cavaliers tour where he displayed an incredible side-step. People think Keith Wood was explosive, but man Schmidt was good too. But there's no consensus that Schmidt is South Africa's greatest ever hooker. There's also Jan Lotz (already selected) and Gys Pitzer. Any of those three would look OK in an all-time Springboks side.
I'd be happy with any one of those names. In the end it came down to Bryn Meredith and Gys Pitzer. And whomever I select I'll wish I selected the other one. I'll go with...
Gys Pitzer
SO I AM DONE!!!
1. Ken Gray (New Zealand)
2. Gys Pitzer (South Africa)
3. Francis Cotton (England)
4. Gordon Brown (Scotland)
5. Willie John McBride (Ireland)
6. Ian Kirkpatrick (New Zealand)
7. Jan Ellis (South Africa)
8. Zinzan Brooke (New Zealand)
9. Ken Catchpole (Australia)
10. Cliff Morgan (Wales)
11. Carel du Plessis (South Africa)
12. Mannetjies Roux (South Africa)
13. Jo Maso (France)
14. Gerald Davies (Wales)
15. Gerrie Brand (South Africa)
Not too bad a side. I think I've done pretty well in this draft. Any thoughts from anybody here? Holes in the side? People played out of position? Combinations that make no sense? Have I selected enough South African's to make this a great side?
This was really tough, not because there weren't many great hookers left, but how to distinguish one?
I considered Philippe Dintrans - often considered France's best hooker. He's been described as a little dynamo in the mold of Hika Reid, only better, and a tremendous ball carrier. I also considered Dintrans successor in Daniel Dubroca. But then I started to think about Colin Deans, who is generally regarded as Scotland's greatest ever hooker. I'd rather pick Deans over Dintrans because Deans was selected by a panel consisting of Gareth Edwards, David Kirk, Jean-Pierre Rives and two others who escape my mind right now, as being the best hooker of the 80s. Deans was well-known was being able to cover the ground in a manner unseen by a hooker before.
Originally I was going to select Bobby Windsor, primarily because I was, somewhat inadvertedly, on track to selecting the same tight-five as the 1974 British Lions. I figured I'd have a good shot at winning this if I could show I selected a tight-five which was arguably the best ever. But then Indipper had to select Mighty Mouse and ruined that. I continued to consider Windsor, but then I recall a few Welsh XV's that I've seen where Bryn Meredith is labelled their greatest ever hooker. For a long time I figured nobody would select him, and he'd be a steal for me. Although he played an important role in the 1956 tour to South Africa, he didn't play for the Lions in 1959 because he was displaced by Ronnie Dawson.
So then I considered both Karl Mullen and Ronnie Dawson - two famous Irish hookers. Of the two I was going to select Mullen, who was part of the last Irish side to win the Grand Slam in 1948... although I might not be saying that in a week.
I considered selecting Uli Schmidt early on. Voltman ruined that. But I hesitated on Schmidt because he didn't play much rugby. He scored an amazing try for a hooker during the Cavaliers tour where he displayed an incredible side-step. People think Keith Wood was explosive, but man Schmidt was good too. But there's no consensus that Schmidt is South Africa's greatest ever hooker. There's also Jan Lotz (already selected) and Gys Pitzer. Any of those three would look OK in an all-time Springboks side.
I'd be happy with any one of those names. In the end it came down to Bryn Meredith and Gys Pitzer. And whomever I select I'll wish I selected the other one. I'll go with...
Gys Pitzer
SO I AM DONE!!!
1. Ken Gray (New Zealand)
2. Gys Pitzer (South Africa)
3. Francis Cotton (England)
4. Gordon Brown (Scotland)
5. Willie John McBride (Ireland)
6. Ian Kirkpatrick (New Zealand)
7. Jan Ellis (South Africa)
8. Zinzan Brooke (New Zealand)
9. Ken Catchpole (Australia)
10. Cliff Morgan (Wales)
11. Carel du Plessis (South Africa)
12. Mannetjies Roux (South Africa)
13. Jo Maso (France)
14. Gerald Davies (Wales)
15. Gerrie Brand (South Africa)
Not too bad a side. I think I've done pretty well in this draft. Any thoughts from anybody here? Holes in the side? People played out of position? Combinations that make no sense? Have I selected enough South African's to make this a great side?
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chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
Lack of Aussie letting you down imo. 
chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
These guys are left:
99* - centre/winger
Clapo - back
Voltman - No 8
Simon - centre/fly half
Indipper - centre
Jamee999 - fly half (most likely)
BoyBrumby - winger/centre
Chaminda_00 - back (haven't decided where to play Umaga ftr)
ohtani's jacket - outside back
Considering most guys need backs and quite a few could pick guys in other positions. I think the rest of us should go in order as there is no certainy guys will pick in their likely positions. Apart from Voltman who needs a No 8.
99* - centre/winger
Clapo - back
Voltman - No 8
Simon - centre/fly half
Indipper - centre
Jamee999 - fly half (most likely)
BoyBrumby - winger/centre
Chaminda_00 - back (haven't decided where to play Umaga ftr)
ohtani's jacket - outside back
Considering most guys need backs and quite a few could pick guys in other positions. I think the rest of us should go in order as there is no certainy guys will pick in their likely positions. Apart from Voltman who needs a No 8.
Ken Catchpole is an Aussie. Or did I misunderstand you, as in I need more Aussies to make the side look good?
I considered Col Windon... and he would have been a good pick, actually.
Horan, Campese, Eales, Ella, Farr-Jones and Lynagh all went pretty quickly.
I would have considered Topo, but you picked him.
I suppose there's a few Aussies left that I think should be picked... instead Michael Foley and Nathan Sharpe are being picked.
99*
International Debutant
Tis my pick.
Need a winger. Hmm. I'll take Shane Williams (WAL).
Leaving my side without a single South African.
Should do my line up.
#1- Tom Smith (SCO)
#2- Phil Kearns (AUS)
#3- Richard Loe (NZL)
#4- Gareth Llewellyn (WAL)
#5- Colin Meads (NZL)
#6- William Wakefield (ENG)
#7- Jean Prat (FRA)
#8- Wayne Shelford (NZL) (c)
#9- Matt Dawson (ENG)
#10- Hugo Porta (ARG)
#11- Shane Williams (WAL)
#12- Scott Gibbs (WAL)
#13- Frank Bunce (NZL)
#14- Doug Howlett (NZL)
#15- Andy Irvine (SCO)
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Jamee999
Hall of Fame Member
Jamee999
Jason Leonard (#1)
Michael Foley (#2)
Martin Castrogiovanni (#3)
Paul O'Connell (#4)
Bill Beaumont (#5)
Jerry Collins (#6)
George Smith (#7)
Lawrence Dallaglio (#8)
Austin Healey (#9)
Jonny Wilkinson (#10)
Jonah Lomu (#11)
Will Carling (#12)
Brian O'Driscoll (#13)
Bryan Habana (#14)
Gareth Thomas (#15)
Jason Leonard (#1)
Michael Foley (#2)
Martin Castrogiovanni (#3)
Paul O'Connell (#4)
Bill Beaumont (#5)
Jerry Collins (#6)
George Smith (#7)
Lawrence Dallaglio (#8)
Austin Healey (#9)
Jonny Wilkinson (#10)
Jonah Lomu (#11)
Will Carling (#12)
Brian O'Driscoll (#13)
Bryan Habana (#14)
Gareth Thomas (#15)
chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
You realise Simon ahead of you can still pick a fly half, centre or winger