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rest of the world v Australia

kendall

U19 Vice-Captain
A pool of potential players:

Batsmen

Strauss
Gayle
Sewhag
Smith
Lara
Tendulkar
Dravid
Thorpe
Vaughan
Chandrepaul
Gibbs

All rounders
Kallis
Oram
Flintoff

Keepers
Sangakara
Taibu
Boucher

bowlers
Bond - if fit
Harmisson
Akthar
Pollock
Ntini
Vass
Hoggard
Harbijan
Kumble
Murilithiran
 
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aussie

Hall of Fame Member
chaminda_00 said:
If Giles has a good Ashes then i would pick him in the squad ahead of Daniel.
no not a all chaminda a good ashes wont give gilo the nod over vettori for me, because for one vetorri has i think 6 out of his 12, 5 wicket hauls againts australia and for me is a better spinner than Gilo overall and a better batsman not by much but better
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
iamdavid said:
Murali is a sure thing if fit, and I go for Kumble over Vettori as I think he complements Murali better, being a bowler who thrives on building pressure from both end/QUOTE]

probably kumble would probably murali better on the basis of the point you have made but i wont count vettori out, once murali comes back & has most peole are predicting a twin spin for the ROW side it will be a interesting debate between those two lads (Vetorri & Kumble)
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Scallywag said:
Fleming against Australia, you have got to be joking right.
Well Fleming with better batsmen around him aganist Australia is not a bad option also he just in the sqaud not the final eleven. Most batsmen around the world have pretty bad records aganist Australia. The handful of batsmen that don't have bad records aganist Australia would make the final eleven.
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
aussie said:
no not a all chaminda a good ashes wont give gilo the nod over vettori for me, because for one vetorri has i think 6 out of his 12, 5 wicket hauls againts australia and for me is a better spinner than Gilo overall and a better batsman not by much but better
Mate Giles has hardly played Australia so if he has a good series aganist Australia and at the end of the series his figures are better aganist Australia then he will get over Vettori. You can't just rule out a guys cus he only played two games aganist a country and his competitor has played that team countless times. If Giles proves that he a better ganist Australia then Vettori he will get infront of him. I also think ATM Vettori is better then Giles but that is mainly down to his good record aganist Australia, but if Giles can get a better recrod aganist Auistralia after the Ashes then i would say Giles is better, but that is if he has a good series.
 

Zinzan

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My test side....

Sehwag
Smith/Gibbs
H.Marshall
Dravid
Lara (c)
Kallis
Sangakara
Pollock
Bond (if fit)/ Harmison
Murali
Malenga



Oneday side...

Sehwag
Fleming (c)
Tendulkar
Lara
Kallis
Cairns
Flintoff
Sangakara
Pollock
Murali
Bond (if fit)
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
zinzan12 said:
My test side....
Malenga
It nice to see all these guys pick Malinga but i think it unfair on other quick for him to be picked infront off them. I think to a bit too early to start picking in World XI side, he really hasn't done anything on the international stage. He record aganist Australia is ok but nothing special. You need more seasoned bowlers to trouble the Australia batting line-up, he bowling is too raw. That also the problem that i have with people picking Hamish (in Test) and KP, cus when it comes down to they only had good series and many players have had one good series.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
FaaipDeOiad said:
Lara hasn't been as consistently prolific since 2001 as Kallis, Dravid and Ponting. He's been good, but not AS good. Anyway, after his brilliant hundred yesterday he may well have increased his chances. It all depends on the form between now and then, but personally I think Dravid and Sehwag are certain picks, Strauss and Vaughan will fight it out for the second opening spot in the Ashes, and if they both fail Smith comes back into the equation, as does perhaps Trescothick. Flintoff is very likely if two spinners are to be picked, especially if he goes well in the Ashes, and Sangakkara is certain if he is fit as well. That leaves two spots for Lara, Tendulkar and Kallis, and based on recent form I think Kallis and Lara deserve them, but if room is made to get Tendulkar in Lara probably deserves to miss out - IF THE TEAM IS PICKED ON FORM.

The other angle of consideration is that the selectors and the ICC will want Lara and Tendulkar together as the two best batsmen of the last decade, in an effort to appease their many fans and increase public interest. This is perfectly valid, but goes in the face of the selectors claim that the team will be picked on form alone. If this happens, Kallis will miss out or only four bowlers will be picked.
When did Kallis do well against Australia?
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
FaaipDeOiad said:
For tests:
4 opening batsmen
Varinder Sehwag
Andrew Strauss
Graeme Smith
Marcus Trescothick

9 middle-order batsmen
Rahul Dravid
Jaques Kallis
Brian Lara
Sachin Tendulkar
Hamish Marshall
Graham Thorpe
Inzamam-Ul-Haq
VVS Laxman
Shivnarine Chanderpaul

3 keepers
Kumar Sangakkara
Kamran Akmal
Tatenda Taibu

3 all-rounders
Andrew Flintoff
Abdul Razzaq
Heath Streak

7 pacers
Shoaib Akhtar
Shaun Pollock
Steve Harmison
Matthew Hoggard
Makhaya Ntini
Chaminda Vaas
Lakshmipathy Balaji/Lasith Malinga

4 spinners
Muttiah Muralitharan/Danish Kaneria
Daniel Vettori
Anil Kumble
Harbhajan Singh


For ODIs
10 batsmen

Rahul Dravid
Jaques Kallis
Brian Lara
Sachin Tendulkar
Ramnaresh Sarwan
Inzamam-Ul-Haq
Hamish Marshall
Kevin Pietersen
Sanath Jayasuria
Graeme Smith

3 keepers
Kumar Sangakkara
MS Dhoni
Kamran Akmal

8 all-rounders
Andrew Flintoff
Chris Gayle
Shoaib Malik
Justin Kemp
Jacob Oram
Abdul Razzaq
Shahid Afridi
Chris Cairns

6 pacers
Shoaib Akhtar
Shaun Pollock
Pedro Collins
Chaminda Vaas
Irfan Pathan
Makhaya Ntini

3 spinners
Muttiah Muralitharan
Daniel Vettori
Harbhajan Singh


A lot of this is of course dependant on form and selection policies. If Gough has a good NWS and doesn't retire for example, he might be picked. Maybe someone new will emerge and catch the attention of the selectors between now and selection time. I'd suspect this will be close to the final 30 for each format though, assuming that there is a different 30 picked for each form of the game. Murali is a sure pick in both forms if he is fit and playing by then, but if he's not or refuses to tour then he will be replaced obviously. Probably by Kaneria in the longer form and Giles or maybe a pacer or all-rounder or something in the ODIs.
Think Dhoni is good enough to be in that pool after just one game?
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
honestbharani said:
Think Dhoni is good enough to be in that pool after just one game?
I was trying to predict what the squad might be. I forgot about McCullum though, and he will probably make it ahead of Dhoni.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
FaaipDeOiad said:
I was trying to predict what the squad might be. I forgot about McCullum though, and he will probably make it ahead of Dhoni.
yeah, that was what I thought as well.....I agree with most of your side though. I will pick mine later when I have more time, but I think it will be very similar to yours....
 

psxpro

Banned
honestbharani said:
Think Dhoni is good enough to be in that pool after just one game?
Dhooooni, oh, oh! Dhoni, *** to me Dhoni, Oh Yes! Dhooni the next gilchrist!!!
Move Gilchrist, Dhoooni, ohhh yes, Dhooni you are so muuch bigger than gilly, oh dhooni.

Lol how can he be in after one good performance, and this wasn't vs aussie either.
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
I would consider 4 players from NZ: H.Marshall, Vettori, Oram & Bond.

I would rule the latter two out though because they're both injured and will only just come back in August, and by then I think it'll be too late for them to make a claim for inclusion.

Even if Marshall doesn't make the final 11, I still think he should be selected in the squad because he clearly has no concerns about the Australian bowlers..and if he fails, it doesn't seem to affect him in his next dig. Also because he's can join the squad quickly because he's only a 3 hour flight away.

If you look at all the spinners, Vettori has the best record out of all of them in Australia & his recent form has been good too..so surely he should at least make the squad as well.

I can't believe there are calls for Dhoni to be in the team when he hasn't even reached 10 ODI's yet..lol that would be insane. Im not convinced about McCullum against Australia in test matches, but i'd have him as a reserve.
 

Zinzan

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Tim said:
I would consider 4 players from NZ: H.Marshall, Vettori, Oram & Bond.

I would rule the latter two out though because they're both injured and will only just come back in August, and by then I think it'll be too late for them to make a claim for inclusion.

Even if Marshall doesn't make the final 11, I still think he should be selected in the squad because he clearly has no concerns about the Australian bowlers..and if he fails, it doesn't seem to affect him in his next dig. Also because he's can join the squad quickly because he's only a 3 hour flight away.

If you look at all the spinners, Vettori has the best record out of all of them in Australia & his recent form has been good too..so surely he should at least make the squad as well.

I can't believe there are calls for Dhoni to be in the team when he hasn't even reached 10 ODI's yet..lol that would be insane. Im not convinced about McCullum against Australia in test matches, but i'd have him as a reserve.
Would you include Cairns for the onedayers?
 

psxpro

Banned
I think Marshall could be more of a odi prospect than test vs Aussie imo. With big strikers around it would be helpful to have a guy who rotates the strike and can cope with the pressure of coming in to bat even if wickets are lost early.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
vvk said:
IMO we need room for the AUSSIE SPECIALIST - VVS LAXMAN. :)
Laxman still averages a healthy 52 against Australia and has more than half of his test centuries against them, but he had a poor series last time, averaging just 17. He looked all at sea against Warne for most of the series, and only came good at the end when he wasn't playing.

He's still almost certainly going to make the 30 man squad, but I can't see him beating Lara, Tendulkar, Dravid or Kallis and actually making the test team.
 

shaka

International Regular
Hamish seems to have a few problems when facing Warne, yet facing, quicks and some part time bowlers come pretty easy for H
 

irfan

State Captain
Going back to the original purpose of this post.
This is my ROW team to face Aust in Oct (Test)

1. V. Sehwag
2. M Vaughan (c)
3. R Dravid (vc)
4. S Tendulkar
5. B Lara
6. A Flintoff (only quality med-fast allrounder to back up the seamers)
7. K Sangakarra (wk)
8. D Vettori
9. S Pollock
10. A Kumble
11. S Akhtar (ONLY if he stops injuring himself) otherwise M Ntini (exudes consistency)

Not considered
harmy - homesickness troubles, murali - wudnt want to go to australia despite tsunami appeal match, S Bond - persistent back troubles
 

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