Reasons why test cricket > Twenty20

[Richard]

You're defining defence as what would be considered defensive in a game of test cricket, then applying it to a completely different game. It's just as absurd as saying football doesn't contain any defence and is all attack because you've never seen a footballer play a forward defensive.

It doesn't have what Tests and ODIs (which are far more similar in terms of scoring-rate than ODI and Twenty20 are) define as defensive play. Obviously if you speak relatively, everything will contain defence. But by the standards of what I'd term "normal" cricket, Twenty20 does not have defensive play.

 

[slowfinger]

It doesn't have what Tests and ODIs (which are far more similar in terms of scoring-rate than ODI and Twenty20 are) define as defensive play. Obviously if you speak relatively, everything will contain defence. But by the standards of what I'd term "normal" cricket, Twenty20 does not have defensive play.

T20 has lots of defensive play...For the bowlers, sometimes. The crowd can sometimes be a problem as they expect a 6 every ball, you see. No-one goes to see a full day of test cricket so there is no point shouting and screaming for a 6 , it would be pointless.

 

[Richard]

T20 has lots of defensive play...For the bowlers, sometimes.

See, in my book, doing well to contain to an economy-rate of 7-an-over isn't defensive play - it's forlorn acceptance of being unable to defend well.

I judge defensive bowling by Tests and ODIs, where a good economy-rate is <3-an-over and ~4-an-over respectively.

 

[aussie]

See, in my book, doing well to contain to an economy-rate of 7-an-over isn't defensive play - it's forlorn acceptance of being unable to defend well.

I judge defensive bowling by Tests and ODIs, where a good economy-rate is <3-an-over and ~4-an-over respectively.

Word out..T20 is strictly a batsman's game

 

[Richard]

It isn't a batsman's game though, because batsmen don't have a chance to make a real impact like they do in Tests and ODIs. The opportunity to make a massive score is basically non-existent and without being scored at very high pace runs are useless, which means a batsman has to take big risks with considerable regularity. An innings which would be a failure in a Test or ODI (eg 19 off 8 balls) is a decent Twenty20 knock. Twenty20 is a batting game, because that's what the majority of fans (those who I see in my Test-match-fan-snob mode as the rabble) want to see - loads of big hits, the ball flying all over the park. Said majority tend to be more interested in seeing the ball fly all over the park and a high overall scoring-rate than actually watching someone bat conventionally (ie in Test match or ODI terms) well.

 

[slowfinger]

Being mercilessly slogged is not attacking play, nor being unable to hold the cap on batsmen, it's about batsmen getting bored and playing shots and the bowler wondering why they are getting hit, and they just have to be defensive in this thought. At 7 an over You are considererd very defensive, 9 an over and you are considered normal.It's just not normal in T20 to have a bowler bowling at 3 an over.

 

[Richard]

I realise all of that. In fact the point I'm making is based precisely around that.

 

[slowfinger]

I realise all of that. In fact the point I'm making is based precisely around that.

Wow, wonders what so much test cricket makes you think.

 

[GIMH]

Have said it before and will say it again. Economy rates are reviewed differently based on whether they were in a Test or ODI, as such it is contradictory to bemoan the different standards of economy rate in twenty20. A bowler going at 4 in an ODI is doing a good job whereas in a Test they aren't, similarly a bowler is doing a good job when he goes at 6 in a T20 and isn't in an ODI.

 

[four_or_six]

It's only £85 in the posh seats. It's £50 where we've applied for.

Gonna look at going to one of the Eng-Pak Tests as well this summer, and Bangladesh at OT is only £25 for a day so I'll probably do that, don't get many Tests at OT these days

For some reason the only ones I could see were the £85 ones, but yeah, I see the others are there now. Strange. Oh well, quite looking forward to seeing Pakistan anyway.

Be careful if you go for Bangladesh, I got day 3 tickets in 2005 and saw about an hour of their tail getting bowled out. It was rubbish.

 

[aussie]

Have said it before and will say it again. Economy rates are reviewed differently based on whether they were in a Test or ODI, as such it is contradictory to bemoan the different standards of economy rate in twenty20. A bowler going at 4 in an ODI is doing a good job whereas in a Test they aren't, similarly a bowler is doing a good job when he goes at 6 in a T20 and isn't in an ODI.

It depends in tests & ODIs. I'd say if a fast bowler in a test takes 20-1-80-5 compared to 10-1-40-5 in an ODI thats comparable. Since in ODIs although its indeed different from tests, you do encounter test match like situations ever so often in an ODI.

Fact is when going @ 6 rpo is considered a "good job" being done by a bowler, that clearly proves that balance between bat & ball is not even. So yes one has to bemoan such a high economy rate that is seen in T20s.

 

[GIMH]

For some reason the only ones I could see were the £85 ones, but yeah, I see the others are there now. Strange. Oh well, quite looking forward to seeing Pakistan anyway.

Be careful if you go for Bangladesh, I got day 3 tickets in 2005 and saw about an hour of their tail getting bowled out. It was rubbish.

Yeah, gonna get day two tickets I think

It depends in tests & ODIs. I'd say if a fast bowler in a test takes 20-1-80-5 compared to 10-1-40-5 in an ODI thats comparable. Since in ODIs although its indeed different from tests, you do encounter test match like situations ever so often in an ODI.

Fact is when going @ 6 rpo is considered a "good job" being done by a bowler, that clearly proves that balance between bat & ball is not even. So yes one has to bemoan such a high economy rate that is seen in T20s.

Feel like I'm banging my head against a wall. it's like arguing that Pizza was expensive in Italy pre-Euro because it costs thousands of lira.

 

[Furball]

In Tests, a bowler who bowls a spell that goes at 7 per over is still doing a good job if he's taken 6 wickets in 6 overs though.

 

[GIMH]

Aye, but if a bowler takes 6 wickets in his 4 in a T20 he'll probably have a bigger impact on the match...

 

[slowfinger]

Well, all this is debatable but the Econ doesn't matter if you are taking good wickets. You could win the game going at 10 an over with 6 wickets but also win the game by taking away the scoring chances for batsmen creating pressure for other bowlers to exploit. It depends how you look at it and under what situation.

 

[aussie]

Feel like I'm banging my head against a wall. it's like arguing that Pizza was expensive in Italy pre-Euro because it costs thousands of lira.

Haa..simply put "Cricket" where bowlers dominate by conceding 6-an-over isn't a good balance between bat and ball.

Bowling in a T20, is basically bowling bowling in the late 10 overs of a 50 over game - but you doing it for 10 more overs.

The type of fast-bowlers that bowl very well in this period are the good death bowlers. Other quality fast-bowlers whose strenght in taking wickets, is by swing, line & lenght are smashed. A batsman i never tested technically or mentally 9 (for a long enough period) - its a slog fest.

For the spinners, once these cats have enough variation & guile, they will always be effective in T20 when batsmen are in a ultra-agressive mode.

 

[GIMH]

Flintoff is one of the guys I rate most as an ODI death bowler but he's never blown me away in twenty20. Broad is probably the best T20 bowler I've seen in an England shirt.

 

[slowfinger]

Flintoff is one of the guys I rate most as an ODI death bowler but he's never blown me away in twenty20. Broad is probably the best T20 bowler I've seen in an England shirt.

Flintoff playing for Lancs last season was amazing tbh...

 

[GIMH]

Yeah, he has done well in it domestically tbf. Actually, thinking on I can't really remember him playing in many T20is. So I might be talking crap

 

[chalky]

Yeah, he has done well in it domestically tbf. Actually, thinking on I can't really remember him playing in many T20is. So I might be talking crap

Got smashed in a couple of IPL games last year