Ravichandran Ashwin vs Aubrey Faulkner

[MasterBlaster24]

Better test cricketer?

 

[Johan]

Aubrey got a fifer in England, and he didn't get a fifer in Australia but averaged 70 with the bat so....good enough

 

[ma1978]

Well clearly Faulkner because the only two countries that matter are England and Australia

 

[Johan]

aren't those the only two opponents/away locations both men can share?

 

[Coronis]

In England
Faulkner 10 tests 348 @ 20.47 1 ton 29 @ 26.17 2 5’fers
Ashwin 7 tests 261 @ 23.17 18 @ 28.11

In Australia
Faulkner 5 tests 732 @ 73.20 2 tons 10 @ 51.40
Ashwin 11 tests 413 @ 22.94 40 @ 42.42

 

[ma1978]

aren't those the only two opponents/away locations both men can share?

not a relevant data point

its also a case for why Aubrey Faulkner has to be taken less seriously.

 

[sayon basak]

A lot of guys has to be taken less seriously, it seems.

 

[ma1978]

A lot of guys has to be taken less seriously, it seems.

Correct. The bar has to be a lot higher for people who played in preprefessional cricket to be compared with people who played in the professional era.

Thus, Jack Hobbs and Don Bradman stand the test of time. Most others don't.

Same reason no one considers Bill Tilden or Fred Perry an equal of a Pete Sampras or a Roger Federer.

Aubrey Faulkner is a very interesting historical figure.

 

[DrWolverine]

Aubrey Faulkner : The only cricketer to average 40+ with the bat and less than 30 with the ball.

 

[Thala_0710]

Aubrey Faulkner : The only cricketer to average 40+ with the bat and less than 30 with the ball.

Doug Walters, Charles Macartney and Washington Sundar (for now) do too

 

[DrWolverine]

Doug Walters, Charles Macartney and Washington Sundar (for now) do too

I did not know about it.
Thanks for the information man.

Doug Walters : 72 runs and 0.66 WPM
Charles Macartney : 60 runs and 1.3 WPM
Aubrey Faulkner : 70 runs and 3.3 WPM

 

[Thala_0710]

I did not know about it.
Thanks for the information man.

Doug Walters : 72 runs and 0.66 WPM
Charles Macartney : 60 runs and 1.3 WPM
Aubrey Faulkner : 70 runs and 3.3 WPM

What are these 70 and 60 runs?

 

[Coronis]

What are these 70 and 60 runs?

per match I’m presuming

 

[Thala_0710]

I did not know about it.
Thanks for the information man.

Doug Walters : 72 runs and 0.66 WPM
Charles Macartney : 60 runs and 1.3 WPM
Aubrey Faulkner : 70 runs and 3.3 WPM

Darren Lehmann: 66 runs and 0.55 WPM
Washington Sundar: 52 runs and 2.77 WPM

These are the only 5 with a min of 10 test wickets

 

[capt_Luffy]

Darren Lehmann: 66 runs and 0.55 WPM
Washington Sundar: 52 runs and 2.77 WPM

These are the only 5 with a min of 10 test wickets

I think a min WPM of 1.5 should also be applied

 

[sayon basak]

I think a min WPM of 1.5 should also be applied

Alastair Cook: 77 runs and 0.006 WPM

 

[Xix2565]

I really don't get how Faulkner is better than Ashwin here. Is there an explanation that isn't largely nostalgia/overrating older players?

 

[ataraxia]

I really don't get how Faulkner is better than Ashwin here. Is there an explanation that isn't largely nostalgia/overrating older players?

Faulkner was a Clarke-level batsman and a Flintoff-level bowler.

 

[Xix2565]

Faulkner was a Clarke-level batsman and a Flintoff-level bowler.

That's a very useless descriptor tbh. I don't see how that combination is better than Ashwin.

 

[DrWolverine]

I really don't get how Faulkner is better than Ashwin here. Is there an explanation that isn't largely nostalgia/overrating older players?

Normally I don’t rate the pre-war greats that highly.

In this case I don’t rate Ashwin highly much outside India