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Ranking the All Time Test teams

BazBall21

International Regular
Snow is my hit the deck enforcer. Lacking a shock bowler of that kind without him. Barnes was likely a spinner imo. In Asia, Hedders or Jim come in.
 

BazBall21

International Regular
Fair enough. Snow is most likely England’s best quick since Trueman. But,who do you open the attack with and why?
That is hard when it comes to the big five teams in this. You'd think Anderson and Trueman because they're swing bowlers and Snow is less dependent on movement but John does have a tantalising record against the top order.
 

BazBall21

International Regular
I would feel more comfortable dropping Anderson than Snow. Statham and Bedser were likely similar level bowlers to Anderson with relatively similar strengths. Anderson had the best career of the three because of his freak longevity and a more diverse range of conditions covered (obviously not Brian and Alec's fault the second part).

John Snow though is the greatest ever English out and out hit the deck bowler. His record on hard flat Caribbean and Australian pitches are green flags. Percentage of top wickets another green flag. Rolls Royce cricketer and the point of difference.
 

kingkallis

International Coach
Australia ATG XI

Matthew Hayden /
Bill Lawry / or Bob Simpson / o
Don Bradman /
Greg Chappell /
Allan Border / (c)
Keith Miller / o
Adam Gilchrist / +
Alan Davidson o /
Shane Warne o
Dennis Lillee o
Glenn McGrath o

12th Man: Ray Lindwall o /
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Vs
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West Indies ATG XI

Gordon Greenidge /
Frank Worrell / o (c)
George Headley /
Brian Lara /
Viv Richards /
Garfield Sobers / o
Jeff Dujon +
Malcolm Marshall o /
Micheal Holding o
Joel Garner o
Curtly Ambrose o

12th Man: Lance Gibbs o
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Vs
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South Africa ATG XI

Barry Richards /
Graeme Smith / (c)
Jacques Kallis / o
Graeme Pollock /
Dudley Nourse /
AB de Villiers /
Denis Lindsay / +
Shaun Pollock o /
Hugh Tayfield o
Dale Steyn o
Allan Donald o

12th Man: Mike Proctor o /
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Vs
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England ATG XI

Jack Hobbs /
Len Hutton /
Wally Hammond /
Joe Root / (c)
Ken Barrington /
Ian Botham / o
Alan Knott / +
Jim Laker o
John Snow o
Fred Trueman o
Sydney Barnes o

12th Man: Ben Stokes / o
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Vs
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India ATG XI

Sunil Gavaskar /
Virender Sehwag /
Rahul Dravid /
Virat Kohli / (c)
Sachin Tendulkar /
VVS Laxman /
MS Dhoni + /
Kapil Dev o /
Ravi Ashwin o /
Zaheer Khan o
Jaspreet Bumrah o

12th Man: Javagal Srinath o
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Vs
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Pakistan ATG XI

Saeed Anwar /
Hanif Mohammad /
Younis Khan /
Javed Miandad /
Inzamam ul Haq /
Imran Khan / o (c)
Sarfaraz Ahmed / +
Wasim Akram o /
Saqlain Mushtaq o /
Shoaib Akhtar o
Waqar Younis o

12th Man: Mohammad Yousuf /
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Vs
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New Zealand ATG XI

Glenn Turner /
Devon Conway /
Kane Williamson /
Martin Crowe / (c)
Ross Taylor /
Chris Cairns / o
Brendon McCullum / +
Daniel Vettori / o
Richard Hadlee o /
Jack Cowie o
Neil Wagner o

12th Man: Trent Boult o
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Vs
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Sri Lanka ATG XI

Sanath Jayasuriya / o
Dimuth Karunaratne /
Kumar Sangakkara /
Aravinda de Silva /
Mahela Jayawardene / (c)
Angelo Matthews / o
Dinesh Chandimal / +
Chaminda Vaas o /
Rangana Herath o
Lasith Malinga o
Muttiah Muralitharan o

12th Man: Arjuna Ranatunga / (c)

Edit: Can't believe I'd left out Sobers & Marshall. It was too late in India, I guess.
 
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kingkallis

International Coach
I am not comfortable with that English or Caribbean batting line up but am sure the picked players would fare better than other regulation picks.

I wish to pick Mankad or Jadeja in place of VVS but neither Mankad nor Jaddu are suited for an ATG No.6.
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
SL and New Zealand also an interesting matchup, basically pace vs spin on bowlers - SL has the better batters overall
No, they don't. Apart from Sanga, NZ batters are better and our openers are MUCH better. Atapattu, Jayasuriya, and Karunaratne are only about Latham level with the bat and we have 6 openers better than that.
 
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BazBall21

International Regular
Greenidge
Hunte
Headley
Viv
Lara
Sobers
Walcott
Marshall
Holding
Garner
Ambrose

Don't see the value in playing Gibbs over Garner when Sobers can bowl spin. If it was an ordinary pace attack elsewhere there would be more of an argument.
 

capt_Luffy

State Vice-Captain
Australia ATG XI

Matthew Hayden /
Bill Lawry / or Bob Simpson / o
Don Bradman /
Greg Chappell /
Allan Border / (c)
Keith Miller / o
Adam Gilchrist / +
Alan Davidson o /
Shane Warne o
Dennis Lillee o
Glenn McGrath o

12th Man: Ray Lindwall o /
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Vs
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West Indies ATG XI

Gordon Greenidge /
Frank Worrell / o (c)
George Headley /
Brian Lara /
Viv Richards /
Garfield Sobers / o
Jeff Dujon +
Malcolm Marshall o /
Micheal Holding o
Joel Garner o
Curtly Ambrose o

12th Man: Clive Lloyd /
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Vs
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South Africa ATG XI

Barry Richards /
Graeme Smith / (c)
Jacques Kallis / o
Graeme Pollock /
Dudley Nourse /
AB de Villiers /
Denis Lindsay / +
Shaun Pollock o /
Hugh Tayfield o
Dale Steyn o
Allan Donald o

12th Man: Mike Proctor o /
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Vs
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England ATG XI

Jack Hobbs /
Len Hutton /
Wally Hammond /
Joe Root / (c)
Ken Barrington /
Ian Botham / o
Alan Knott / +
Jim Laker o
John Snow o
Fred Trueman o
Sydney Barnes o

12th Man: Ben Stokes / o
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Vs
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India ATG XI

Sunil Gavaskar /
Virender Sehwag /
Rahul Dravid /
Virat Kohli / (c)
Sachin Tendulkar /
VVS Laxman /
MS Dhoni + /
Kapil Dev o /
Ravi Ashwin o /
Zaheer Khan o
Jaspreet Bumrah o

12th Man: Javagal Srinath o
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Vs
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Pakistan ATG XI

Saeed Anwar /
Hanif Mohammad /
Younis Khan /
Javed Miandad /
Inzamam ul Haq /
Imran Khan / o (c)
Sarfaraz Ahmed / +
Wasim Akram o /
Saqlain Mushtaq o /
Shoaib Akhtar o
Waqar Younis o

12th Man: Mohammad Yousuf /
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Vs
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New Zealand ATG XI

Glenn Turner /
Devon Conway /
Kane Williamson /
Martin Crowe / (c)
Ross Taylor /
Chris Cairns / o
Brendon McCullum / +
Daniel Vettori / o
Richard Hadlee o /
Jack Cowie o
Neil Wagner o

12th Man: Trent Boult o
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Vs
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Sri Lanka ATG XI

Sanath Jayasuriya / o
Dimuth Karunaratne /
Kumar Sangakkara /
Aravinda de Silva /
Mahela Jayawardene / (c)
Angelo Matthews / o
Dinesh Chandimal / +
Chaminda Vaas o /
Rangana Herath o
Lasith Malinga o
Muttiah Muralitharan o

12th Man: Arjuna Ranatunga / (c)

Edit: Can't believe I'd left out Sobers & Marshall. It was too late in India, I guess.
All of these are great choices; but I would certainly make certain changes in every team.
As for Australia; I would still prefer to have Trumper over Simpson or Lawry; his average is not impressive but reputation certainly is. Also, Smith over Border and Lindwall over Davidson; but those are close.
For Windies, if going with an opener who didn't opened later on career, I would go Rohan Kanhai over Worrell; and as keeper Walcott over Dujon. When he kept, he was a very decent keeper and as batsman he certainly is superior. Also, Gibbs for Garner. This ones close, but I think team needs a proper spinner (Sobers was everything) and Gibbs probably was better than most people give him credit for.
In South Africa, make de Villiers keep. He kept on 24 matches and was a quite good keeper. They have many good Allrounders, I would add a bunch; as Rice, Procter and Faulkner will replace Nourse, Lindsay and Tayfield.
In England, Sutcliffe over Barrington; make Hobbs and him open while Hutton bats at 3. Ames for Knott as better batter, Rhodes for Laker as an extra bat and Anderson, Larwood or Bedser for Snow.
In India, Kumble for Zaheer Khan and Mankad for Laxman as the batting depth is sufficient. Dhoni can bat at 6.
In Pakistan, Moin Khan for Sarfaraz, Sarfaraz Nawaz for Shoaib Akhtar, Abdul Qadir for Saqlain Mushtaq.
In New Zealand, Bert Sutcliffe for Devon Conway, John Richard Reid for Cairns, Bond for Cowie and Boult for Wegner.
In Sri Lanka, make Sanga keep, Mahadevan Sathasivam for Mathews and Ashantha De Mel for Chandimal.
 

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