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Ranking the All Time Test teams
- Thread starter capt_Luffy
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Coronis
International Coach
Me personally I’d definitely have Tayfield in the side who is easily on the same level as any England spinner. And by far SA’s greatest.
Patience and Accuracy+Gut
State Vice-Captain
Barnes pretty much bowled them all. More like Alec Bedser to go with off-breaks and leg Breaks with nearly same action.
BazBall21
International Vice-Captain
I still won't drop Snow. He's essential in this England attack. And if Barnes bowls everything, then he can be the spinner too.
Patience and Accuracy+Gut
State Vice-Captain
Fair enough. Snow is most likely England’s best quick since Trueman. But,who do you open the attack with and why?
BazBall21
International Vice-Captain
That is hard when it comes to the big five teams in this. You'd think Anderson and Trueman because they're swing bowlers and Snow is less dependent on movement but John does have a tantalising record against the top order.
Coronis
International Coach
Always open with Barnes otherwise he’ll sulk and bowl crap. Trueman is the obvious other choice.
BazBall21
International Vice-Captain
I would feel more comfortable dropping Anderson than Snow. Statham and Bedser were likely similar level bowlers to Anderson with relatively similar strengths. Anderson had the best career of the three because of his freak longevity and a more diverse range of conditions covered (obviously not Brian and Alec's fault the second part).
John Snow though is the greatest ever English out and out hit the deck bowler. His record on hard flat Caribbean and Australian pitches are green flags. Percentage of top wickets another green flag. Rolls Royce cricketer and the point of difference.
John Snow though is the greatest ever English out and out hit the deck bowler. His record on hard flat Caribbean and Australian pitches are green flags. Percentage of top wickets another green flag. Rolls Royce cricketer and the point of difference.
kingkallis
International Coach
Is Trumper actually better than Lawry or Simpson or Ponsford to open with Hayden though?
kingkallis
International Coach
Australia ATG XI
Matthew Hayden /
Bill Lawry / or Bob Simpson / o
Don Bradman /
Greg Chappell /
Allan Border / (c)
Keith Miller / o
Adam Gilchrist / +
Alan Davidson o /
Shane Warne o
Dennis Lillee o
Glenn McGrath o
12th Man: Ray Lindwall o /
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West Indies ATG XI
Gordon Greenidge /
Frank Worrell / o (c)
George Headley /
Brian Lara /
Viv Richards /
Garfield Sobers / o
Jeff Dujon +
Malcolm Marshall o /
Micheal Holding o
Joel Garner o
Curtly Ambrose o
12th Man: Lance Gibbs o
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South Africa ATG XI
Barry Richards /
Graeme Smith / (c)
Jacques Kallis / o
Graeme Pollock /
Dudley Nourse /
AB de Villiers /
Denis Lindsay / +
Shaun Pollock o /
Hugh Tayfield o
Dale Steyn o
Allan Donald o
12th Man: Mike Proctor o /
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Vs
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England ATG XI
Jack Hobbs /
Len Hutton /
Wally Hammond /
Joe Root / (c)
Ken Barrington /
Ian Botham / o
Alan Knott / +
Jim Laker o
John Snow o
Fred Trueman o
Sydney Barnes o
12th Man: Ben Stokes / o
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Vs
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India ATG XI
Sunil Gavaskar /
Virender Sehwag /
Rahul Dravid /
Virat Kohli / (c)
Sachin Tendulkar /
VVS Laxman /
MS Dhoni + /
Kapil Dev o /
Ravi Ashwin o /
Zaheer Khan o
Jaspreet Bumrah o
12th Man: Javagal Srinath o
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Vs
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Pakistan ATG XI
Saeed Anwar /
Hanif Mohammad /
Younis Khan /
Javed Miandad /
Inzamam ul Haq /
Imran Khan / o (c)
Sarfaraz Ahmed / +
Wasim Akram o /
Saqlain Mushtaq o /
Shoaib Akhtar o
Waqar Younis o
12th Man: Mohammad Yousuf /
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Vs
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New Zealand ATG XI
Glenn Turner /
Devon Conway /
Kane Williamson /
Martin Crowe / (c)
Ross Taylor /
Chris Cairns / o
Brendon McCullum / +
Daniel Vettori / o
Richard Hadlee o /
Jack Cowie o
Neil Wagner o
12th Man: Trent Boult o
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Vs
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Sri Lanka ATG XI
Sanath Jayasuriya / o
Dimuth Karunaratne /
Kumar Sangakkara /
Aravinda de Silva /
Mahela Jayawardene / (c)
Angelo Matthews / o
Dinesh Chandimal / +
Chaminda Vaas o /
Rangana Herath o
Lasith Malinga o
Muttiah Muralitharan o
12th Man: Arjuna Ranatunga / (c)
Edit: Can't believe I'd left out Sobers & Marshall. It was too late in India, I guess.
Matthew Hayden /
Bill Lawry / or Bob Simpson / o
Don Bradman /
Greg Chappell /
Allan Border / (c)
Keith Miller / o
Adam Gilchrist / +
Alan Davidson o /
Shane Warne o
Dennis Lillee o
Glenn McGrath o
12th Man: Ray Lindwall o /
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Vs
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West Indies ATG XI
Gordon Greenidge /
Frank Worrell / o (c)
George Headley /
Brian Lara /
Viv Richards /
Garfield Sobers / o
Jeff Dujon +
Malcolm Marshall o /
Micheal Holding o
Joel Garner o
Curtly Ambrose o
12th Man: Lance Gibbs o
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Vs
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South Africa ATG XI
Barry Richards /
Graeme Smith / (c)
Jacques Kallis / o
Graeme Pollock /
Dudley Nourse /
AB de Villiers /
Denis Lindsay / +
Shaun Pollock o /
Hugh Tayfield o
Dale Steyn o
Allan Donald o
12th Man: Mike Proctor o /
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Vs
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England ATG XI
Jack Hobbs /
Len Hutton /
Wally Hammond /
Joe Root / (c)
Ken Barrington /
Ian Botham / o
Alan Knott / +
Jim Laker o
John Snow o
Fred Trueman o
Sydney Barnes o
12th Man: Ben Stokes / o
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Vs
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India ATG XI
Sunil Gavaskar /
Virender Sehwag /
Rahul Dravid /
Virat Kohli / (c)
Sachin Tendulkar /
VVS Laxman /
MS Dhoni + /
Kapil Dev o /
Ravi Ashwin o /
Zaheer Khan o
Jaspreet Bumrah o
12th Man: Javagal Srinath o
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Vs
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Pakistan ATG XI
Saeed Anwar /
Hanif Mohammad /
Younis Khan /
Javed Miandad /
Inzamam ul Haq /
Imran Khan / o (c)
Sarfaraz Ahmed / +
Wasim Akram o /
Saqlain Mushtaq o /
Shoaib Akhtar o
Waqar Younis o
12th Man: Mohammad Yousuf /
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Vs
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New Zealand ATG XI
Glenn Turner /
Devon Conway /
Kane Williamson /
Martin Crowe / (c)
Ross Taylor /
Chris Cairns / o
Brendon McCullum / +
Daniel Vettori / o
Richard Hadlee o /
Jack Cowie o
Neil Wagner o
12th Man: Trent Boult o
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Vs
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Sri Lanka ATG XI
Sanath Jayasuriya / o
Dimuth Karunaratne /
Kumar Sangakkara /
Aravinda de Silva /
Mahela Jayawardene / (c)
Angelo Matthews / o
Dinesh Chandimal / +
Chaminda Vaas o /
Rangana Herath o
Lasith Malinga o
Muttiah Muralitharan o
12th Man: Arjuna Ranatunga / (c)
Edit: Can't believe I'd left out Sobers & Marshall. It was too late in India, I guess.
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kingkallis
International Coach
I am not comfortable with that English or Caribbean batting line up but am sure the picked players would fare better than other regulation picks.
I wish to pick Mankad or Jadeja in place of VVS but neither Mankad nor Jaddu are suited for an ATG No.6.
I wish to pick Mankad or Jadeja in place of VVS but neither Mankad nor Jaddu are suited for an ATG No.6.
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
I feel like there might be a way to improve your West Indian side...
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
No, they don't. Apart from Sanga, NZ batters are better and our openers are MUCH better. Atapattu, Jayasuriya, and Karunaratne are only about Latham level with the bat and we have 6 openers better than that.
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Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Latham shouldn't be in the NZ side. He is behind Dempster, Sutcliffe, Wright, Richardson, and now Conway.
Also Watling instead instead of McCullum, and (more debatable) Wagner for Boult, and Cowie for Bond.
BazBall21
International Vice-Captain
Agree on everything except Watling of course
capt_Luffy
International Vice-Captain
All of these are great choices; but I would certainly make certain changes in every team.
As for Australia; I would still prefer to have Trumper over Simpson or Lawry; his average is not impressive but reputation certainly is. Also, Smith over Border and Lindwall over Davidson; but those are close.
For Windies, if going with an opener who didn't opened later on career, I would go Rohan Kanhai over Worrell; and as keeper Walcott over Dujon. When he kept, he was a very decent keeper and as batsman he certainly is superior. Also, Gibbs for Garner. This ones close, but I think team needs a proper spinner (Sobers was everything) and Gibbs probably was better than most people give him credit for.
In South Africa, make de Villiers keep. He kept on 24 matches and was a quite good keeper. They have many good Allrounders, I would add a bunch; as Rice, Procter and Faulkner will replace Nourse, Lindsay and Tayfield.
In England, Sutcliffe over Barrington; make Hobbs and him open while Hutton bats at 3. Ames for Knott as better batter, Rhodes for Laker as an extra bat and Anderson, Larwood or Bedser for Snow.
In India, Kumble for Zaheer Khan and Mankad for Laxman as the batting depth is sufficient. Dhoni can bat at 6.
In Pakistan, Moin Khan for Sarfaraz, Sarfaraz Nawaz for Shoaib Akhtar, Abdul Qadir for Saqlain Mushtaq.
In New Zealand, Bert Sutcliffe for Devon Conway, John Richard Reid for Cairns, Bond for Cowie and Boult for Wegner.
In Sri Lanka, make Sanga keep, Mahadevan Sathasivam for Mathews and Ashantha De Mel for Chandimal.
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Nah, Gibbs just had a far longer career. After 46 tests and an equivalent career length, Gibbs's record is as good and he played on an awful home decks. Better bowler for me.