Rank the pace bowling pairs

[subshakerz]

Based on overall quality, what's your ranking?

Donald Pollock
Walsh Ambrose
Waqar Wasim
McGrath Gillespie
Steyn Philander
Lillee Thommo
Trueman Stratham
Lindwall Miller

 

[Randomfan]

I have seen the first 5 pairs, but I am still finding it hard to put exact ranking as pair.

 

[Cricket Bliss]

if it’s peak… Then Steyn - Philander
there was a time when Steyn was No.1 and Philander who came out of nowhere became No.2 in the rankings.

 

[shortpitched713]

We should do a statistical comparison of these pairs at their peak.

Also wonder how good Garner Marshall or Marshall Ambrose ever were at their peak.

 

[DrWolverine]

Based on overall quality, what's your ranking?
Donald Pollock
Walsh Ambrose
Waqar Wasim
McGrath Gillespie
Steyn Philander

*Based on what I have seen
*Saw Waqar post his injury
*Overall and not just one match or series
Donald/Pollock
Walsh/Ambrose
Steyn/Philander
McGrath/Gillespie
Akram/Waqar

 

[Thala_0710]

Based on overall quality, what's your ranking?

Donald Pollock
Walsh Ambrose
Waqar Wasim
McGrath Gillespie
Steyn Philander
Lillee Thommo
Trueman Stratham
Lindwall Miller

Some stats-
Donald & Pollock: 397 wkts @21.85 avg, other pacers: 711 wkts @31.4 avg
Walsh & Ambrose: 762 wkts @22.68 avg, other pacers: 1582 wkts @28.13 avg
Waqar & Wasim: 559 wkts @22.12 avg, other pacers: 819 wkts @30.51 avg
Mcgrath & Gillespie: 484 wkts @23.02 avg, other pacers: 690 wkts @38.73 avg
Steyn & Philander: 331 wkts @21.71 avg, other pacers: 538 wkts @35.32 avg
Lillee & Thomson: 217 wkts @27.2 avg, other pacers: 361 wkts @33.51 avg
Trueman & Statham: 284 wkts @25.74 avg, other pacers: 402 wkts @29.46 avg
Lindwall & Miller: 345 wkts @23.00 avg, other pacers: 443 wkts @31.76 avg

 

[Thala_0710]

Rank by match factor- (% of total wkts by pace in brackets)
1. McGrath & Gillespie: 1.68 (41.23%)
2. Steyn & Philander: 1.63 (38.09%)
3. Donald & Pollock: 1.44 (35.83%)
4. Lindwall & Miller: 1.38 (43.78%)
5. Wasim & Waqar: 1.38 (40.57%)
6. Walsh & Ambrose: 1.24 (32.51%)
7. Lillee & Thomson: 1.23 (37.54%)
8. Trueman & Statham: 1.14 (41.4%)

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Rank by match factor- (% of total wkts by pace in brackets)
1. McGrath & Gillespie: 1.68 (41.23%)
2. Steyn & Philander: 1.63 (38.09%)
3. Donald & Pollock: 1.44 (35.83%)
4. Lindwall & Miller: 1.38 (43.78%)
5. Wasim & Waqar: 1.38 (40.57%)
6. Walsh & Ambrose: 1.24 (32.51%)
7. Lillee & Thomson: 1.23 (37.54%)
8. Trueman & Statham: 1.14 (41.4%)

What about Cummins Hazlewood?

 

[Thala_0710]

What about Cummins Hazlewood?

Cummins & Hazlewood: 382 wkts @21.28 avg, other pacers: 784 wkts @31.02
Match factor: 1.46 (32.76%)

 

[Randomfan]

Some stats-
Donald & Pollock: 397 wkts @21.85 avg, other pacers: 711 wkts @31.4 avg
Walsh & Ambrose: 762 wkts @22.68 avg, other pacers: 1582 wkts @28.13 avg
Waqar & Wasim: 559 wkts @22.12 avg, other pacers: 819 wkts @30.51 avg
Mcgrath & Gillespie: 484 wkts @23.02 avg, other pacers: 690 wkts @38.73 avg
Steyn & Philander: 331 wkts @21.71 avg, other pacers: 538 wkts @35.32 avg
Lillee & Thomson: 217 wkts @27.2 avg, other pacers: 361 wkts @33.51 avg
Trueman & Statham: 284 wkts @25.74 avg, other pacers: 402 wkts @29.46 avg
Lindwall & Miller: 345 wkts @23.00 avg, other pacers: 443 wkts @31.76 avg

Thanks.

This is very helpful and we are not ranking them based on gut feelings. I was thinking it may be Ambrose/Walsh as top or near the top but they don't have a case.

Top three pairs after looking at this,

McGrath/Gillespie
Steyn/Vern
Donald/Pollock

 

[Thala_0710]

Any other famous duos we could do this for?

 

[Thala_0710]

Broad & Anderson: 1039 wkts @26.73 avg, 2195 wkts @32.86 avg
Match factor: 1.23 (32.13%)

Marshall and Garner: 322 wkts @21.72 avg, 564 wkts @29.7 avg
Match factor: 1.37 (36.34%)

 

[Thala_0710]

Thanks.

This is very helpful and we are not ranking them based on gut feelings. I was thinking it may be Ambrose/Walsh as top or near the top but they don't have a case.

Top three pairs after looking at this,

McGrath/Gillespie
Steyn/Vern
Donald/Pollock

The thing is though that Walsh and Ambrose also played with some other really quality pacers and mostly with a relatively poor batting lineup, compared to what McGrath, Steyn etc got. So one also needs to factor that in.
Considering this and for how long they did it, they have a good case to be higher imo

 

[Randomfan]

The thing is though that Walsh and Ambrose also played with some other really quality pacers and mostly with a relatively poor batting lineup, compared to what McGrath, Steyn etc got. So one also needs to factor that in.
Considering this and for how long they did it, they have a good case to be higher imo

Yes, that's a good counter point.

Anyway, list by OP was very well matched for me to make a clear ranking. I could list different ranking depending on day.

 

[Coronis]

Some stats-
Donald & Pollock: 397 wkts @21.85 avg, other pacers: 711 wkts @31.4 avg
Walsh & Ambrose: 762 wkts @22.68 avg, other pacers: 1582 wkts @28.13 avg
Waqar & Wasim: 559 wkts @22.12 avg, other pacers: 819 wkts @30.51 avg
Mcgrath & Gillespie: 484 wkts @23.02 avg, other pacers: 690 wkts @38.73 avg
Steyn & Philander: 331 wkts @21.71 avg, other pacers: 538 wkts @35.32 avg
Lillee & Thomson: 217 wkts @27.2 avg, other pacers: 361 wkts @33.51 avg
Trueman & Statham: 284 wkts @25.74 avg, other pacers: 402 wkts @29.46 avg
Lindwall & Miller: 345 wkts @23.00 avg, other pacers: 443 wkts @31.76 avg

Now I know you totally stole this from one of my posts

 

[Ju7]

Broad & Anderson: 1039 wkts @26.73 avg, 2195 wkts @32.86 avg
Match factor: 1.23 (32.13%)

Marshall and Garner: 322 wkts @21.72 avg, 564 wkts @29.7 avg
Match factor: 1.37 (36.34%)

Of the players I've watched Marshall & Garner are the best.

 

[Coronis]

Of the players I've watched Marshall & Garner are the best.

Fat Man and Little Boy

 

[Ju7]

Fat Man and Little Boy

Not appropriate

 

[Coronis]

Not appropriate

Man and boy popped into my head, so naturally that followed