Rahul Dravid vs Kevin Pietersen (talent)

[DrWolverine]

Yes. It's not just Sachin himself but around him was an incredibly facilitative environment to nurture his ambition.

Despite being the greatest batsman since Don, he was looking to improve himself and even took advice from a waiter in a hotel.

 

[sayon basak]

Despite being the greatest batsman since Don, he was looking to improve himself and even took advice from a waiter in a hotel. View attachment 48916

The talent of being humble.

 

[Coronis]

lol if you think everyone can become Viv you are deluding yourself.

And Bradman was likely the most talented of all but it's hard to say without more footage.

See now this just comes off as completely contrary to almost everything you’ve said in the thread. People called bats like Trumper and Jackson exceptionally talented and geniuses for their strokeplay, and in fact Bradman was expected to fail in the 1930 Ashes by many pundits due to his technique (spoiler: he didn’t). Naturally talented? Hell no, he trained his ass off. You’ve not heard the origin story of him developing his muscle memory and reflexes by hitting a golf ball with a cricket stump in his youth. Hell, even his army test showed he had worse than 20/20 vision.

 

[subshakerz]

See now this just comes off as completely contrary to almost everything you’ve said in the thread. People called bats like Trumper and Jackson exceptionally talented and geniuses for their strokeplay, and in fact Bradman was expected to fail in the 1930 Ashes by many pundits due to his technique (spoiler: he didn’t). Naturally talented? Hell no, he trained his ass off. You’ve not heard the origin story of him developing his muscle memory and reflexes by hitting a golf ball with a cricket stump in his youth. Hell, even his army test showed he had worse than 20/20 vision.

I don't dispute that but just like there is a cap on what talent can achieve I think the same exists with training. I'm not making a firm statement on Bradman though having not paid that much attention to his gameplay

 

[Johan]

 

[Johan]

Kevin Pietersen on his smartest day:

 

[capt_Luffy]

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Mofo included Klusener

And even went till Ambrose.... .

 

[subshakerz]

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The funny thing is he debuted in the easiest era in cricket and never played most of those.

 

[sayon basak]

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Talent of being stupid.

 

[Johan]

came right after Root passed Ponting, coincidence? I think not!

 

[capt_Luffy]

Mofo included Klusener

And even went till Ambrose.... .

He just didn't include Klusener, he included him ahead of Ntini.......

 

[Thala_0710]

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Guy probably ran this filter, saw his record looking great, posted it

 

[DrWolverine]

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Batting was harder 20-25 years ago(2000-2005).

Waqar. Akram. Donald. Ambrose. Walsh.
They barely played in 2000s.

McGrath is the only pacer who is ATG.
McGrath retired in 2006.

 

[Johan]

batting today is the hardest it has been since 1950s

 

[subshakerz]

batting today is the hardest it has been since 1950s

Honestly if we brought todays bat in the early to mid 90s I think they would average less.

 

[Johan]

Honestly if we brought todays bat in the early to mid 90s I think they would average less.

that's bias.

 

[Thala_0710]

Honestly if we brought todays bat in the early to mid 90s I think they would average less.

It depends really, for Aus, Ind and Sa batsmen they won't. Eng, Nz, Pak etc batsmen might

 

[DrWolverine]

Honestly if we brought todays bat in the early to mid 90s I think they would average less.

Maybe.

T20 has destroyed technique needed to play in test cricket (of course there are exceptions) and that’s one of the reasons median averages is lower today.

 

[Johan]

Maybe.

T20 has destroyed technique needed to play in test cricket (of course there are exceptions) and that’s one of the reasons median averages is lower today.

ODIs destroyed the technique needed to play Test Cricket and that's why 80s WI was so successful, bowling to bad batsmen

 

[subshakerz]

ODIs destroyed the technique needed to play Test Cricket and that's why 80s WI was so successful, bowling to bad batsmen

Lol ODI cricket was only taken more seriously by the end of the decade.