Rahul Dravid vs AB de Villiers (talent)

[PlayerComparisons]

Who was more talented?

 

[Thala_0710]

This isn't close, ABD is arguably more talented than Sachin himself

 

[DrWolverine]

ABD is arguably more talented than Sachin himself

No

 

[DrWolverine]

ABD’s batting may look more visually pleasing but I wouldn’t say he’s more naturally gifted than Sachin.

 

[Thala_0710]

I would put him just below, but ABD had a natural ability of stroke making, especially to pace bowling, where it felt like, on his day, he was inevitable, just like Lara

 

[kyear2]

Don't know if this is a serious question tbh.

 

[DrWolverine]

What is talent?

 

[Thala_0710]

What is talent?

Dictionaries define it as the natural ability or skill to perform any task

 

[sayon basak]

Dictionaries define it as the natural ability or skill to perform any task

How do you know whether something is natural ability or not?

 

[DrWolverine]

How do you know whether something is natural ability or not?

Nature or nurture?

 

[Coronis]

How do you know whether something is natural ability or not?

You don’t really.

Is any of AB’s stuff a natural ability? Idk

You could say stuff like Murali’s elbow is a natural talent. Or others who hyperextend. Not sure if you can define anything other than that. If you had exceptional vision maybe that qualifies? As far as I’m aware though I’ve never heard of a cricketer actually testing with better vision.


You can train reflexes and muscle memory. Performing new and unorthodox shots isn’t a natural talent its just a willingness to experiment.

 

[ma1978]

If AB De Villiers was so much more talented why did perform worse. This is such an idiotic question to begin with but the only true reflection of talent is output

 

[Thala_0710]

If AB De Villiers was so much more talented why did perform worse. This is such an idiotic question to begin with but the only true reflection of talent is output

Because output is also affected by other factors than natural talent.... Your discipline, motivation etc come into effect as well

 

[sayon basak]

Because output is also affected by other factors than natural talent.... Your discipline, motivation etc come into effect as well

The act of being able to be discipline and motivated is itself a talent.

 

[Thala_0710]

The act of being able to be discipline and motivated is itself a talent.

If you want to factor that in, it's upto you. But imo, it's a bit less natural and can be picked up more/taught to a better degree. De Villiers could get motivated and be disciplined when he really wanted to be, I don't know if Dravid could produce some of the shot making that De Villiers produced

 

[sayon basak]

If you want to factor that in, it's upto you. But imo, it's a bit less natural and can be picked up more/taught to a better degree. De Villiers could get motivated and be disciplined when he really wanted to be, I don't know if Dravid could produce some of the shot making that De Villiers produced

So shot making is pure talent right? Why isn't some of the t20 batters considered more talented than Dravid? You can't say that they are not even is the same level, because that can easily be debunked saying that they are not in the same level because of discipline/motivation.

 

[Thala_0710]

So shot making is pure talent right? Why isn't some of the t20 batters considered more talented than Dravid? You can't say that they are not even is the same level, because that can easily be debunked saying that they are not in the same level because of discipline/motivation.

Shot making is ofc a big part of it, but not just shot making on roads against avg bowlers. Abd showed that shot making against the best bowlers on tough wickets too.. And there might be some guys in t20 cricket who might be more talented in t20 cricket too... I'm not denying that, give me some examples though.

 

[ma1978]

If you want to factor that in, it's upto you. But imo, it's a bit less natural and can be picked up more/taught to a better degree. De Villiers could get motivated and be disciplined when he really wanted to be, I don't know if Dravid could produce some of the shot making that De Villiers produced

Talent is not only natural

playing long innings and defensive technique is also talent just as much as shotmaking

 

[Thala_0710]

You're confusing more talented by better, if just the better batsman = more talented batsman, then you're basically saying that better is a synonym for more talented, which is simply not true

 

[sayon basak]

You're confusing more talented by better, if just the better batsman = more talented batsman, then you're basically saying that better is a synonym for more talented, which is simply not true

Define talent.