Rabada vs Roberts vs Anderson

[ma1978]

Who tf dismisses the Achievements of Margaret Court!??? Everyone rates her 3rd Best at Worst. And Laver is easily ahead of anyone not named the Big 3, Sampras is 8th or 9th.

it’s hurt her that she’s a bigot

On the merits though fourth after Navratilova, Graf and S Williams

Sampras fourth too but that’s more arguable, anywhere from fourth to eight is defensible

 

[DrWolverine]

Court. Every. Martina. Graf. Serena.

Everyone has a case to be called as the best.

Martina is the best in my opinion.

 

[Coronis]

Sampras > Laver imo.

During Laver’s time, 3 out of 4 Slams were played on grass. If Sampras played in that way, he would have won like 30 Slams.

lol. Spoken by someone who doesn’t know much about Laver’s era at all.

 

[BazBall21]

Roberts' home record is more underwhelming than I realised.

 

[DrWolverine]

lol. Spoken by someone who doesn’t know much about Laver’s era at all.

Or by someone who doesn’t find it that impressive

 

[Coronis]

Or by someone who doesn’t find it that impressive

You do realise he won majors (Pro Slams that were far more competitive than the Amateur Grand Slams before the open era) on 3 surfaces, and won 200 titles over his career on 5 different surfaces?

 

[DrWolverine]

You do realise he won majors (Pro Slams that were far more competitive than the Amateur Grand Slams before the open era) on 3 surfaces, and won 200 titles over his career on 5 different surfaces?

Like I said before, he was one of the best pre Open Era but tennis back then was not that competitive and physically demanding like it is today.

 

[Coronis]

Like I said before, he was one of the best pre Open Era but tennis back then was not that competitive and physically demanding like it is today.

Like I said, you’re clearly unfamiliar with that era. Go look up some info about the pro tours of that time, and how many matches players would play against the other very top players.

 

[Fanboy375]

We must also have in mind that SA was most bowling friendly than 80s WI and 2010s Eng

 

[DrWolverine]

Like I said, you’re clearly unfamiliar with that era. Go look up some info about the pro tours of that time, and how many matches players would play against the other very top players.

Ok

 

[Silver Silva]

We must also have in mind that SA was most bowling friendly than 80s WI and 2010s Eng

Yeah but Rabada has been taking wickets everywhere recently , his away test average has dropped below 25.

 

[Johan]

mostly built off of one series in Bangladesh, the notoriously bad players of fast bowling, But Rabada has multiple Asia tours coming up. That will clear things up, whether he is a fairweather bowler or actual excellence.

 

[Bolo.]

Roberts' home record is more underwhelming than I realised.

Unless his overall record is more underwhelming than you expected, this is a good thing. Away record will always be a more accurate reflection of a player's quality than home.

 

[Johan]

Unless his overall record is more underwhelming than you expected, this is a good thing. Away record will always be a more accurate reflection of a player's quality than home.

not really universally true.

 

[Bolo.]

not really universally true.

Not sure what complications you are trying to introduce?

I don't claim home record counts for nothing. Massive respect for someone like Ash, who makes it into my bottom tier ATGs on the back of being a top tier home ATG. But would you not rate Ash higher if you inversed his home and away records? And why would this principle not be (close to) universally applicable?

 

[Thala_0710]

Not sure what complications you are trying to introduce?

I don't claim home record counts for nothing. Massive respect for someone like Ash, who makes it into my bottom tier ATGs on the back of being a top tier home ATG. But would you not rate Ash higher if you inversed his home and away records? And why would this principle not be (close to) universally applicable?

Let's take Mohinder Amarnath for example

 

[Johan]

Not sure what complications you are trying to introduce?

I don't claim home record counts for nothing. Massive respect for someone like Ash, who makes it into my bottom tier ATGs on the back of being a top tier home ATG. But would you not rate Ash higher if you inversed his home and away records? And why would this principle not be (close to) universally applicable?

I agree that it is true in 9/10 cases but I think historically there have been exceptions, Mostly cases where the home wickets are actually some of the most unproductive/difficult in the world for a Cricketer's primary but away are much more productive for their primary disciplines, like if you reversed Ken Barrington's and Ted Dexter's home and away record I'd rate them higher.

 

[Bolo.]

Let's take Mohinder Amarnath for example

Ya, let's.

If you inversed his home and away averages, would you rate him higher/lower/the same?

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Rabada beating Anderson 18 - 7 in this poll

It was probably the opposite pre WTC final

 

[Thala_0710]

Ya, let's.

If you inversed his home and away averages, would you rate him higher/lower/the same?

Slightly lower