Adorable Asshole
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Ponting vs Lara - Better ODI bat
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Pap Finn Keighl
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Top order Lara = Kohli
Overall stats era adjusted Lara > Ponting
At number 3
Ponting 42 at 81
Lara 46 at 86
Imagine Lara playing in Australian team in easier 00s.
Overall stats era adjusted Lara > Ponting
At number 3
Ponting 42 at 81
Lara 46 at 86
Imagine Lara playing in Australian team in easier 00s.
SillyCowCorner1
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Both hardcore cricketers, but Lara went a little bit more hardcore than Ponting.
Adorable Asshole
International Regular
Strang way to say u know nothing about ODIs.
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Lara easily the better test bat, Ponting easily the better ODI bat.
Adorable Asshole
International Regular
How? Their averages are similar plus ponting played in a more batting friendly era.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Just based on eye test. Lara, as silly as it sounds, never got near fulfilling his potential as an ODI batsman. His ODI batting post 1997 was genuinely heart breaking to see as a fan, he fell from being the #1 in the world to a inconsistent top class matchwinner who would barely make it to the top 5 ODI batsmen of that time.
Slifer
International Captain
People who don't know would look at stats and WC performances and probably say Ponting easily coasts this. But up until the late 90s or so, Lara was well in the discussion for best ODI batsman ever and up there even with SRT.
Whatever shortcoming he had vs the Ws and Donald on tests, he made up for in ODis. He once had a sequence vs the Ws and Donald where he scored: 128, 111*, 26*, 49, 114, 95*. Then dominated a world series tournament in the mid 90s again facing the Ws and McWarne. For me, Lara over Ponting because at his best, he took apart every great bowler he faced.
Whatever shortcoming he had vs the Ws and Donald on tests, he made up for in ODis. He once had a sequence vs the Ws and Donald where he scored: 128, 111*, 26*, 49, 114, 95*. Then dominated a world series tournament in the mid 90s again facing the Ws and McWarne. For me, Lara over Ponting because at his best, he took apart every great bowler he faced.
Adorable Asshole
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Most batsmen would like to have that fall
expect their WC performance are even.
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Some chip on your shoulder here AA this is the second thread in a day you've started asking a hypothetical re. Ponting, clearly looking for (and then arguing directly for) a negative response
Adorable Asshole
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Wtf r u talking bout? That's how i always post. I'm just looking for a good discussion.
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Hey I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, go for it, the more discussion the better. I Just found it amusing
Pap Finn Keighl
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Statistically Lara is better.
Gap widens when you consider Lara played for weak West Indies and outside his strong zone (top order ) and Ponting played in an easier era for an alltime 11.
Gap widens when you consider Lara played for weak West Indies and outside his strong zone (top order ) and Ponting played in an easier era for an alltime 11.
Pap Finn Keighl
International Regular
Ponting was very ordinary for first 5-6 years
Fanboy375
U19 Debutant
Yeah in 2000s when pitch became more flat he scored more
Fanboy375
U19 Debutant
However one can argue Ponting faced better bowling attack than Lara for most of his career in ODI.90s NZ and Eng bowling attack were weak compare to 2000s.Ind and SL bowling also improved during 2000s.Pak had better bowlers in 90s.Ponting also faced more SA than Lara and SA had top tier bowling attack.Off course when Aus and WI played Lara would face strong Aus bowlers and Ponting will face weak WI bowlers.
stephen
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Averages aren't everything, particularly Australian batting averages. Most Australian ODI batsmen have better away/ neutral averages than home averages due to larger grounds (the biggest case of this is Andrew Symonds who averaged around 30 at home and 50 away).
Lara was better than Ponting in the 90s. Pointing was better than Lara in the 00s. Not too much to separate them purely as batsmen, but Ponting was the complete package - one of the best fielders of all time and a very good ODI captain. He also lifted for the big moments. So Ponting wins it for me.
Lara was better than Ponting in the 90s. Pointing was better than Lara in the 00s. Not too much to separate them purely as batsmen, but Ponting was the complete package - one of the best fielders of all time and a very good ODI captain. He also lifted for the big moments. So Ponting wins it for me.
TestMatch
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Ponting spent the majority of his career batting at 3, where he averaged 42.
Lara spent the first decade of his career batting 1 to 3, where he averaged 45.9.
Afterwards Lara went down the order, floating from 4 to 7, his board's reasoning being that other players needed an opportunity to garner experience. During this second phase Lara mostly failed from aroundabout 2003 onwards.
At the number 4 position he failed in particular in his role as team shepherd. While in the early phase of his career he averaged in the high 50s in this position over some years, these were all before 2003ish. From 2003ish, the typical Lara ODI innings involved him slogging 30ish runs and getting out trying to up the run rate (while Chanderpaul relaxed at the other end). Sort of like a constantly thwarted version of Dhoni.
Lara spent the first decade of his career batting 1 to 3, where he averaged 45.9.
Afterwards Lara went down the order, floating from 4 to 7, his board's reasoning being that other players needed an opportunity to garner experience. During this second phase Lara mostly failed from aroundabout 2003 onwards.
At the number 4 position he failed in particular in his role as team shepherd. While in the early phase of his career he averaged in the high 50s in this position over some years, these were all before 2003ish. From 2003ish, the typical Lara ODI innings involved him slogging 30ish runs and getting out trying to up the run rate (while Chanderpaul relaxed at the other end). Sort of like a constantly thwarted version of Dhoni.
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