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Players who overcame prolonged poor starts to be rated really highly during their playing careers.
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capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
Precisely no one did it before so it was effective. It was a one-off thing, which worked positively in the end.
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
I mentioned him because:
A) You mentioned 50s Ashes
B) He was a Great Opener, not too dissimilar as a player to Gavaskar himself
It wasn't because you like Hutton, I genuinely don't mind such a one off thing.
DrWolverine
International Captain
I believe that Imran Khan being an Asian cricketer was never fully given the recognition that matched his talent and achievements. He once spoke about facing open racism while playing in England in the 1970s.
At the time, the world admired the rise of African American athletes who shattered stereotypes through sheer brilliance. But Asian sportspersons were rarely seen in global arenas, and that absence shaped a perceptions. They lacked the physical presence or power to dominate. This is one reason the West Indies were so widely celebrated. Their cricketers were strong, fast and fearlessly dominant. They fit the image of sporting greatness the world understood and applauded.
By contrast, Asian cricketers brought a different kind of excellence; one rooted in patience, skill, and subtlety. Yet their achievements were often underappreciated. Fast bowling was glorified as the ultimate test of a cricketer while spin was viewed as something lesser. Pitches that favoured pace and bounce were described as sporting and fair while turning tracks were mocked as dustbowls, as if winning through spin and control was somehow less legitimate.
Players like Gavaskar and Imran were among the first truly world-class cricketers from Asia. They did not just compete, they belonged at the very top. Their bold, outspoken presence challenged the established order and disrupted long-held ideas about what an Asian cricketer was supposed to be. They brought not just skill, but pride and that was difficult to accept for some.
At the time, the world admired the rise of African American athletes who shattered stereotypes through sheer brilliance. But Asian sportspersons were rarely seen in global arenas, and that absence shaped a perceptions. They lacked the physical presence or power to dominate. This is one reason the West Indies were so widely celebrated. Their cricketers were strong, fast and fearlessly dominant. They fit the image of sporting greatness the world understood and applauded.
By contrast, Asian cricketers brought a different kind of excellence; one rooted in patience, skill, and subtlety. Yet their achievements were often underappreciated. Fast bowling was glorified as the ultimate test of a cricketer while spin was viewed as something lesser. Pitches that favoured pace and bounce were described as sporting and fair while turning tracks were mocked as dustbowls, as if winning through spin and control was somehow less legitimate.
Players like Gavaskar and Imran were among the first truly world-class cricketers from Asia. They did not just compete, they belonged at the very top. Their bold, outspoken presence challenged the established order and disrupted long-held ideas about what an Asian cricketer was supposed to be. They brought not just skill, but pride and that was difficult to accept for some.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
You may not, I don't either, I've been in my fair share of fights, it doesn't mean anything to me, Gavaskar had a bad reaction to something that was wrong, hell he didn't react far differently from how I would've. Wolverine said Australians and English had a problem with Gavaskar, I'm just informing they didn't, Gavaskar had a problem with the Australians, and that's fine, I like people having problems with the Australians but let's not rewrite history here.
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
I actually think the English kinda liked him, despite his record being relatively weakest there. Really goes to show pundits many a times rates on ceiling. Australians don't think particularly liked him, but he liked them even less so meh.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Gavaskar's comments on Shane Warne and David Hooke's death bordered on completely insensitive to borderline racist for the latter, They have no obligation to like him in today's time, if they do then that's quite shameful. Back then, I guess it was the Boycott syndrome.
govinda indian fan
International Regular
Sunny has some kind hatred on english and aussie players but shamlessly licks ass of pakistani players. Imran once made raciast comment on indians in front of sunny but he was silent. If same was done was aussie or englishmen sunny would have been calling them racist
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
It's obviously about skin colour.
govinda indian fan
International Regular
Once boycott said on indian television that if india wants better relations with pakistan they should send sunny as ambassador considering his bais towards them
govinda indian fan
International Regular
I think iam only indian who hates sunny for being baised insensitive and for his agenda against some indian players
PlayerComparisons
International Captain
Don’t even think most Indians are really massive fans of him tbh.
It’s just his batting that most rate very high
govinda indian fan
International Regular
Right many younger generation hate him. You might not believe but many post 2000 born indians hate bcci for being greedy ****ers they are
DrWolverine
International Captain
Generation difference
Sunil Gavaskar belonged to a generation when Indian cricketers were not regarded as equals on the global stage.
Today, the BCCI is seen as a dominant force in world cricket with even foreign players often accommodating its interests and demands.
DrWolverine
International Captain
For an older generation that saw India sidelined in world cricket, the BCCI’s dominance today is a point of pride since it reflects how far the country has come.
For younger fans this power is often seen as arrogance. But for those who remember being ignored, having a seat at the head of the table matters.
dude averaged 59 over c160 tests, the teen years irate irrelevant
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
sure? but it contributes to his insane longevity which is his strongest point.
the longevity isn’t his strongest point, it’s the insane consistency for 160 tests