Pat Cummins vs Joel Garner

[subshakerz]

Who is the greater bowler assuming Cummins retires tomorrow.

 

[Coronis]

Garner for his batting

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Yeah id pick garner for his batting

 

[Line and Length]

We can't "assume Cummings retires tomorrow" without affording Garner the opportunity to have part of his career discarded. This is always the problem when comparing past and present players.

 

[Coronis]

In all seriousness though I’ve heard both talked about as the ideal first change bowlers so just a check up on their opening (1/2) stats vs 3/4 stats

Opening

Garner 49 innings 127 @ 20.22, 5 5’fers
Cummins 54 innings 126 @ 23.14, 5 5’fers

First/Second Change

Garner 61 innings 129 @ 21.86, 2 5’fers
Cummins 61 innings 143 @ 22.00, 7 5’fers

Garner also has one innings (3/44) bowling 5th

 

[howitzer]

Garner still ahead of Cummins for now imo.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Love Cummins but I would take Garner 100%.

 

[kyear2]

Garner all the way, as a 3rd seamer he could reduce his pace and bowl all day with unerring accuracy and his height was apparently quite disconcerting.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

We can't "assume Cummings retires tomorrow" without affording Garner the opportunity to have part of his career discarded. This is always the problem when comparing past and present players.

Hear hear

 

[_00_deathscar]

Garner all the way, as a 3rd seamer he could reduce his pace and bowl all day with unerring accuracy and his height was apparently quite disconcerting.

As was his length

 

[kyear2]

As was his length

Yeah, arm length was a factor

 

[subshakerz]

Interesting. I think this has to do with Cummins graph falling this last year.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

How quick was Garner on most occasions? Doesn’t matter when your standing reach is around 9ft but just curious.

 

[kyear2]

From what I recall and have read. Not as fast as Maco and Mikey, but when he got the new ball he was supposedly above fast medium. Not express, but fast.

 

[subshakerz]

How quick was Garner on most occasions? Doesn’t matter when your standing reach is around 9ft but just curious.

Early days late 70s/early 80s, then apparently he notched it up to mid 80s towards the end.

 

[honestbharani]

Good comparison. Both mainly first change bowlers and good lower order batters.