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Pakistani's justification of getting victimized by ICC

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
I understand where you're coming from, Xuhaib, and blimey it must be tough being a Pakistan fan at the moment.

It may be that the ICC felt they had no choice but to confirm that they were investigating because the Sun already had the story and was going to print. If the ICC had given no details at all they might have appeared as ineffective as ever. And they may well have done a deal with the Sun to persuade the paper not to publish any detail of the allegations pending the investigation, which is something.
That's a fair point and often how papers operate when they give evidence to the authorities - "this us what we've got, we're going to publish but will give you the option as to when. In return, we'd like an interview and briefing from your investigators. Otherwise we can simply go to print now."
 

Faisal1985

International Vice-Captain
I haven't seen any evidence which could be considered reasonable i.e. the sting video by NOTW....if there is any evidence as such The Sun should publish it like it was done before...and i think The Sun is subsidiary or some how affiliated with NOTW...correct me if am wrong though..
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
They may have been prevailed upon by the ICC not to do so while the investigation occurs.
 

Faisal1985

International Vice-Captain
They may have been prevailed upon by the ICC not to do so while the investigation occurs.
But come on...how do we even know if that is reasonable evidence to develop our own opinion about it? If you want me to trust ICC with it then thats just wrong...public should be aware of it..or at least part of it..
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
We can't form a judgement on it until the evidence is available, that's true. Other than to say that there must have been something that seemed plausible enough to launch an investigation - which is obviously not the same thing as proving the allegation.

ICC in a hard spot here - damned either way re realizing evidence while the investigation is ongoing. Think they've done the right thing here.
 

Faisal1985

International Vice-Captain
We can't form a judgement on it until the evidence is available, that's true. Other than to say that there must have been something that seemed plausible enough to launch an investigation - which is obviously not the same thing as proving the allegation.

ICC in a hard spot here - damned either way re realizing evidence while the investigation is ongoing. Think they've done the right thing here.
If reasonable evidence is available to ICC it must share it with PCB and ECB and not just take a sole action. And that is a big "IF" about the validity of the evidence provided that no other parties are being involved. You simply can't launch investigations based on unrevealed and classified evidence if any and bring spot light on a particular person or entity. It is unfair and unjust and certainly is singling out Pakistan cricket.
 

outbreak

First Class Debutant
The ICC will do right by not releasing evidence if they have it. Evidence isn't meant to be thrown out to the public it's ment to be investigated and checked thoroughly before being released. We can't go saying what they have on Pakistan's latest indiscretion is solid or not until it's all be checked and investiagted by the ICC. And no i don't think they should release it all the the PCB right away as their the ones being investigated...........
You don't give up your info to the people you are suspecting of wrong doing until a case is built.
 

Faisal1985

International Vice-Captain
The ICC will do right by not releasing evidence if they have it. Evidence isn't meant to be thrown out to the public it's ment to be investigated and checked thoroughly before being released. We can't go saying what they have on Pakistan's latest indiscretion is solid or not until it's all be checked and investiagted by the ICC. And no i don't think they should release it all the the PCB right away as their the ones being investigated...........
You don't give up your info to the people you are suspecting of wrong doing until a case is built.
In that case don't say a word about investigation until its completed dont say who you are investigating and why, once the investigation is done, fair enough give the evidence to the parties involved and put them up for trial or whatever the due process may be, if the evidence is weak abandon it and move on. It is the right of the party being investigated to be done in privacy and confidentiality as they are innocent until proven guilty, you can not treat anyone like a criminal until they are proven one hence, they retain the right to confidentiality.

The ICC has done this in a very unacceptable manner....they can't just go around saying such things in public. Either keep it classified until proven guilty or reveal everything you have and reason for investigation. Stop it with this bull **** about they shouldn't reveal evidence and crape....they shouldn't reveal anything then, not even the board being investigating.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Im not too bothered about what the ICC has done. Its bothersome to hear all the pundits and those on this forum come out and talk about the kinds of bans that they would like to see handed out to those involved and about how Aamer's career is finished before 20. Until there is conclusive evidence and until we hear the other side, I find it highly presumptious that anyone here or anywhere else can possibly attempt to put themselves in the shoes of the players or suggest punishments that should be dished out.
 

brackenNY

School Boy/Girl Captain
ICC did nothing wrong; Pakistanis always like to play victim.

(before anyone calls me racist, I'm posting from Pakistan right now)
 

AaronK

State Regular
first closing his eyes and saying that there are no solid evidance against the match fixers despite hours of solid video taped evidance.. now accussing others of match fixing without any evidance.. Great going Mr. Ass (Butt).. u truely should ur true color the other day..

i say ban pakistan till Butt is sacked..
 

jashan83

U19 Captain
Mr Butt did a great job by blaming England, a nation which allowed it to use it's ground to play against Australia, played a series at a time when Pakistan needed it (After NOTW Controversy). Great way to pay back. Mr Butt has done a great job by making real frnds everywhere including the ICC.

After seeing the whole NOTW series and then Pakistan High Commissioner and MR Butt strong defending that they are Pak (Pure) I am pretty sure out of that money even the PCB had it's cut's. The matches were surely fixed. Whole system would want to be played that way. Also once the Pakistan High Commissioner to UK said that India and it's bookies are involved in it. Absolutely true sir. Who are the Indian Bookie's. They are so called D Company (Dawood Ibrahim) who is protected somewhere in Pakistan itself and even Miadad the great cricketer is relative of him.

So there is no conspiracy rather some truth unfolded but the that is the max of truth we will get to hear before it is subdued by the nexus of Players+PCB+Govt+Bookies
 

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
ICC should have realized that when something like this happens, there will be lot of fakers out there who will like to cash in on it. So when NOTW managed to expose the spot fixing incident, there will be 1000 other tabloids who will want to follow them and make some quick bucks in the process.. It is up to the ICC to determine and differentiate the genuine ones from the fake ones.

Even if all 11 of Pakistan's cricketers are match fixers, any logical and thinking person would realize that NOW is not the right time to fix a match. So like everyone else, assuming Pakistani cricket players are all guilty unless proven innocent, I think they are still smart enough to realize that its better to halt match fixing at least for now when there is so much attention.

At the same time Ijaz Butt's statements were senseless and uncalled for. To deal with an issue like this, you need an intelligent man at the helm who can argue with reason and evidence and unfortunately Mr Butt fails big time.
 
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Xuhaib

International Coach
ICC did nothing wrong; Pakistanis always like to play victim.

(before anyone calls me racist, I'm posting from Pakistan right now)
I agree a lot of Pakistani's do play the victim card but ICC did handle the current situation poorly.If you have conclusive evidence then immediately suspend the involved parties like they did with the tainted trio I don't want any cheats to add to their internation runs and wickets tally, if there are still doubts then do your investigations quietly behind close doors till you have more concrete facts in your hands now was not the time to start something new. All these half baked allegations do is inflame an already volatile situation and takes the focus away from what has been a rip snorting odi series.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
If reasonable evidence is available to ICC it must share it with PCB and ECB and not just take a sole action. And that is a big "IF" about the validity of the evidence provided that no other parties are being involved. You simply can't launch investigations based on unrevealed and classified evidence if any and bring spot light on a particular person or entity. It is unfair and unjust and certainly is singling out Pakistan cricket.
"We are investigating" does not mean "guilty as charged", Faisal.. When you are less charged up, you will realize it yourself. And the ICC have said nothing but that they are investigating the said allegations. At this point, they are just that... allegations.
 

Faisal1985

International Vice-Captain
"We are investigating" does not mean "guilty as charged", Faisal.. When you are less charged up, you will realize it yourself. And the ICC have said nothing but that they are investigating the said allegations. At this point, they are just that... allegations.
All i say is they should have kept it confidential until something substantial would have come across which could have been solid enough to prove the players guilty in a trial. I simply don't agree with ICC's handling of the situation and i have already stated my opinion of what Ijaz Butt did in the other thread....They should have kept there mouth shut until they reached a reasonable point in their investigation at which they could confirm that there was spot fixing done in the 3rd ODI.
 

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