Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
We're both aware that you cannot exactly drop your captain during a WC though, but I do see your point.Furthermore, lets not forget Michael Vaughan's last ODI.
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wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
Speak for yourself Rich
Caddick at his peak obviously > Harmison or Anderson.
But by 2003 that peak was already a pretty distant memory, and things weren't going to improve by the time he was fit again. Post SL in 2001, how many decent performances did we really see from him? IIRC nothing whatsoever against Aus that summer, moderate in NZ, one decent performance at home to SL and another completely ineffective ashes until that final innings. However good he may have occasionally been in 1999 & 2000, his time was up.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
After the First Test against Pakistan, he returned to the self we'd known 1993-1998 for the last six Tests that summer. As I said, though, he certainly still bowled well on occasions, even that very summer. The frustrating thing was that we all knew he could be doing much better.
Never better was this demonstrated than the NZ tour of 2001/02. He was England's best bowler, but he could easily have taken 30 wickets in 3 Tests, the rest of the attack was so poor. He didn't.
He bowled poorly in the first-innings of the SL series, then OK in the short second-innings. He then bowled superbly, absolutely superbly, in the Second Test, and his figures did not remotely do him justice. He was injured for the next 3 games and was brought back too soon. Was easily the best of a poor attack in the last Test against India.
Bowled poorly for much of The Ashes 2002/03, on mostly flat pitches on which he never offered much threat all career. Then got a ten-for in the last game.
As I said - this is still far, far better than Anderson and Harmison ever did for all their careers bar Harmison's first 7 in 2004. And this is when Caddick was not at his best.
Never better was this demonstrated than the NZ tour of 2001/02. He was England's best bowler, but he could easily have taken 30 wickets in 3 Tests, the rest of the attack was so poor. He didn't.
He bowled poorly in the first-innings of the SL series, then OK in the short second-innings. He then bowled superbly, absolutely superbly, in the Second Test, and his figures did not remotely do him justice. He was injured for the next 3 games and was brought back too soon. Was easily the best of a poor attack in the last Test against India.
Bowled poorly for much of The Ashes 2002/03, on mostly flat pitches on which he never offered much threat all career. Then got a ten-for in the last game.
As I said - this is still far, far better than Anderson and Harmison ever did for all their careers bar Harmison's first 7 in 2004. And this is when Caddick was not at his best.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Will Flintoff be fit for the ODIs?
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Good grief I hope so. That's right at the end of the season. There's certainly hope that he'll be fit for the Tests earlier.
BTW, SA make 136/1 off 29.0 overs at Lunch. Decent effort so far from Duminy and Amla, hopefully they can both make centuries then Kallis, Prince and de Villiers can do something similar. Aside from Caddick (who's coming back from injury) the Somerset attack is truly woeful. Turner, Jones, Munday, Durston, Suppiah and de Bruyn. Hopefully they'll all get absolutely belted.
Game is only three days so they need to look to bat for about 150 overs, giving as many batsmen a chance as possible, then bowl for the rest of the game. Hopefully the weather will cooperate.
BTW, SA make 136/1 off 29.0 overs at Lunch. Decent effort so far from Duminy and Amla, hopefully they can both make centuries then Kallis, Prince and de Villiers can do something similar. Aside from Caddick (who's coming back from injury) the Somerset attack is truly woeful. Turner, Jones, Munday, Durston, Suppiah and de Bruyn. Hopefully they'll all get absolutely belted.
Game is only three days so they need to look to bat for about 150 overs, giving as many batsmen a chance as possible, then bowl for the rest of the game. Hopefully the weather will cooperate.
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
Hope so. He's playing today, and the odi's are in the 2nd half of August. Of course, the last 18 months are hardly cause for optimism.
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Just realised that richard answered that too.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Ah for some reason, thought the ODI series was first. Awesome. Anyway...
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Damn, Duminy out just after Lunch. At least it was Caddick who got him.
Kallis in now - never have a better opportunity to start a tour well.
BTW, looks like Munday (who one or two have talked of as an England prospect) has been absolutely smashed by Amla - 8-56-0 as of this post.
Hope if SA lose more than 4 or 5 wickets this innings, Caddick gets at least 5 or 6.
Kallis in now - never have a better opportunity to start a tour well.
BTW, looks like Munday (who one or two have talked of as an England prospect
) has been absolutely smashed by Amla - 8-56-0 as of this post.Hope if SA lose more than 4 or 5 wickets this innings, Caddick gets at least 5 or 6.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
In many ways, I'd prefer it if it was. Never an enormous fan of ODIs either late in the season or after a big Test series.
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
Seems likely. No-one else in this Somerset side is going to get any.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Don't take that for granted. They shouldn't, but David Wigley took a massive bag against an international batting-line-up earlier this year. Turner and Jones could yet do the same. 
BTW, Munday now smashed for 74 off 10. Amla and Kallis really can bat as long as they like, and here's hoping they do.
BTW, Munday now smashed for 74 off 10. Amla and Kallis really can bat as long as they like, and here's hoping they do.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
And oddly, I've missed Trego, possibly because he didn't bowl early and with six bowlers already used (and Durston still to come) he presumably isn't fit to do so.
Somerset's batting is very weak - just one specialist opener in Edwards (poor so far in his career), de Bruyn (excellent) then Hildreth, Suppiah and Durston (all unproven though with promise). Plus the wicketkeeper Kieswetter and all-rounder Trego. So even though this is presumably the usual belter, decent chance for Nel, Ntini and Morkel.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
No, no, I highly doubt I will until the Tests start. It's not really a case of "decide" either, it's not something I'll think "I think I'll support SA here", it's just the way it goes.