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[Tom Halsey]

He is a class bowler in the one day and the test arena.

 

[Tom Halsey]

He is a class bowler in the one day and the test arena.

Richard posted just before me. I was referring to Bond.

 

[Richard]

Murali was nullified because of good batting by Fleming and Richardson and co.

So now you are just making excuses for every bowler in the SL side. Want me to make an excuse for Bond as well? :rolleyes:

Like it or not, when Muralitharan bowls at his best, no matter how good the batting, he simply is not nullified.
Because to nullify Murali at his best is not possible. Yes, Fleming and Richardson played well, but had Murali bowled at his optimum they would still not have scored many runs.

He was dropped, yes. But that's cricket. You aren't going to go through all of the New Zealanders' innings and point out missed chances are you?

Nope, because I can't remember them all, but doubtless there will be a couple of other significant ones.
None, however, I doubt, as significant as the one I mentioned.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Like it or not, when Muralitharan bowls at his best, no matter how good the batting, he simply is not nullified.
Because to nullify Murali at his best is not possible. Yes, Fleming and Richardson played well, but had Murali bowled at his optimum they would still not have scored many runs.

That is the same with any bowler. Warne, McGrath, Pollock...not just Murali.

 

[Richard]

No, it's not.
Only outstanding bowlers are effective in all conditions. Warne, yes, but McGrath and Pollock - IMO no. Vaas, yes, though.

 

[marc71178]

McGrath and Pollock are so much better than Vaas it's an insult to them to even bracket him with them, let alone above them.

 

[Neil Pickup]

JN Gillespie - 189 @ 25.24
DS Lehmann - 7 @ 25.71
GD McGrath - 430 @ 21.71
SK Warne - 491 @ 25.71
R Clarke - 4 @ 15.00
RL Johnson - 16 @ 17.18
A McGrath - 4 @ 14.00
MJ Saggers - 3 @ 20.66
SE Bond - 43 @ 24.30
JDP Oram - 22 @ 23.18
MH Richardson - 1 @ 17.00
Shabbir Ahmed - 33 @ 21.78
Shoaib Akhtar - 118 @ 23.41
Waqar Younis - 373 @ 23.56
AC Dawson - 5 @ 23.40
SM Pollock - 326 @ 21.14
DJ Terbrugge - 20 @ 21.20
MS Atapattu - 1 @ 24.00
WRS de Silva - 7 @ 20.85
KHRK Fernando - 4 @ 27.00
M Muralitharan - 485 @ 22.94
JJC Lawson - 29 @ 24.51

Shoaib is the only other that wasn't named to have >100 at <27.

 

[Mingster]

Like it or not, when Muralitharan bowls at his best, no matter how good the batting, he simply is not nullified.
Because to nullify Murali at his best is not possible. Yes, Fleming and Richardson played well, but had Murali bowled at his optimum they would still not have scored many runs.

The conditions suited Murali and he bowled well. But Fleming just found a way of nullifing him. you can basically pad him if you are a leftie because you wont get LBW because his balls are usually turning too much.

It's a bloody disgrace for you to name Vaas as the same class as McGrath, etc.

You seem to always say statistics mean everything, then why is his average over 27?

 

[anzac]

Sorry Richard but IMO as good as he is there is no way that Vaas is in the same league as McGrath & Pollock - stats or no stats I don't care what they may say........

 

[Tom Halsey]

JN Gillespie - 189 @ 25.24
DS Lehmann - 7 @ 25.71
GD McGrath - 430 @ 21.71
SK Warne - 491 @ 25.71
R Clarke - 4 @ 15.00
RL Johnson - 16 @ 17.18
A McGrath - 4 @ 14.00
MJ Saggers - 3 @ 20.66
SE Bond - 43 @ 24.30
JDP Oram - 22 @ 23.18
MH Richardson - 1 @ 17.00
Shabbir Ahmed - 33 @ 21.78
Shoaib Akhtar - 118 @ 23.41
Waqar Younis - 373 @ 23.56
AC Dawson - 5 @ 23.40
SM Pollock - 326 @ 21.14
DJ Terbrugge - 20 @ 21.20
MS Atapattu - 1 @ 24.00
WRS de Silva - 7 @ 20.85
KHRK Fernando - 4 @ 27.00
M Muralitharan - 485 @ 22.94
JJC Lawson - 29 @ 24.51

Shoaib is the only other that wasn't named to have >100 at <27.

What exactly is this a table of?

 

[BlackCap_Fan]

What exactly is this a table of?

how many wickets bowlers have taken and their averages.

I think.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Yes, but Attapattu is in there with 1 wicket...confusing...

 

[PY]

What exactly is this a table of?

Think it all the people who average below a certain number in one of the forms of cricket. That is about as vague as I can make it

 

[Neil Pickup]

All current Test cricketers who average 27 or less with the ball.

 

[Tom Halsey]

OK. Cheers, Neil.

 

[Craig]

JN Gillespie - 189 @ 25.24
DS Lehmann - 7 @ 25.71
GD McGrath - 430 @ 21.71
SK Warne - 491 @ 25.71
R Clarke - 4 @ 15.00
RL Johnson - 16 @ 17.18
A McGrath - 4 @ 14.00
MJ Saggers - 3 @ 20.66
SE Bond - 43 @ 24.30
JDP Oram - 22 @ 23.18
MH Richardson - 1 @ 17.00
Shabbir Ahmed - 33 @ 21.78
Shoaib Akhtar - 118 @ 23.41
Waqar Younis - 373 @ 23.56
AC Dawson - 5 @ 23.40
SM Pollock - 326 @ 21.14
DJ Terbrugge - 20 @ 21.20
MS Atapattu - 1 @ 24.00
WRS de Silva - 7 @ 20.85
KHRK Fernando - 4 @ 27.00
M Muralitharan - 485 @ 22.94
JJC Lawson - 29 @ 24.51

Shoaib is the only other that wasn't named to have >100 at <27.

But shouldnt you do a table for those that have bowled more then 2000 balls be more significant?

 

[BlackCap_Fan]

Yes, but Attapattu is in there with 1 wicket...confusing...

Richardson too.

I didn't know oram had such a low average.Amazing..

hes only 25,he has great promise as a big hitting all rounder.Maybe New Zealands next Cairns?

Although hes got alot of work ahead of him to get as good as cairns

 

[Mingster]

Jacob Oram will be better than Cairns.

Cairns was always injured and inconsistent. Oram won't.

 

[Craig]

And you've never said anything daft? Give him a bit of slack...

:rolleyes:

What relevance does that have to what I have said? He is saying Thorpe isnt back and I'm saying Have you been in Colombia lately refering to that fact I'm surprised he didnt to know that for whatever reason.

I dont know why you seem to have got some ego.

It really had nothing to do with you. Shut up Neil.

 

[Tim]

Now now Mingster, don't put the mockers on Oram!...lets hope he stays injury free anyway.