*Official* ICC2002 Editing Developments

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Warp speed ahead...

 

[IsuraE]

This reminds me of the human genome project, except you guys are smarter!! Keep up the good work.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

More batting ability news:

Seventh offset - second digit:
0(8)-7(F) is a raw batting skill value, as you already know. The second digit on the eighth offset adjusts this:

1 is low skill, F is high skill (within the level determined by the second digit of the seventh offset).

Also, 0 has the same effect as 1 (and E as F), because the even numbers are for lefties and the odd numbers for the righties.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Offset 13 is Economy Rate. 00=tight, FF=creamed around the park

 

[Neil Pickup]

To save us scrolling up and down..

T'thick	04 A0 8F 48 73 E6 03 0C 1F 5A B6 02 58 00 00 00 A8 01 01 80 06 A8 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Vaughan	04 68 AA 41 54 0E 84 0B 04 A4 BF 00 48 00 00 00 AF 00 01 80 02 AF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00	
Butcher	04 50 44 68 7A 46 84 02 0F B8 B0 02 40 00 00 00 B3 00 01 80 09 B3 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00	
Hussain	04 30 CD 29 7A 5E 8C 03 0D 5E BD 01 68 00 00 00 12 01 01 80 02 12 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00	
Thorpe	04 68 2F 46 6A FA 8C 04 09 6C D9 02 48 00 00 00 A5 01 01 80 04 A5 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00	
Stewart	04 68 4D 72 6B AA 83 03 09 24 E2 02 70 00 00 00 99 01 01 80 09 99 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Piet'sn	04 90 22 44 62 26 0D 09 0D 28 CC 00 18 00 00 00 61 01 01 80 03 61 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Bell	04 10 05 89 40 A6 0C 07 03 F6 C9 02 90 00 00 00 9D 00 01 80 0E 9D 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Bassano	04 28 24 65 4C 5A 0D 09 08 50 B4 01 38 00 00 00 9A 00 01 80 05 9A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00		
F'toff	04 60 27 8E 62 FA 93 0F 0F 82 AC 04 00 00 00 00 E5 00 01 80 07 E5 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
S'weera 04 18 39 65 68 42 95 0D 0D 5A 96 00 00 00 00 00 56 03 01 80 88 56 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00	
Giles	04 40 37 21 60 FE 9A 0B 09 DE 1A 00 00 00 00 00 F0 00 01 80 05 F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00	
Gough	04 A0 1D 72 54 96 99 05 04 14 9F 05 30 00 00 00 F2 00 01 80 07 F2 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00	
Caddick	04 20 3D 31 78 76 99 07 03 1A 9C 04 20 00 00 00 B4 00 01 80 0E B4 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00	
Hoggard	04 30 AB 70 5E 7A 98 0D 05 3C 90 04 00 00 00 00 0A 01 01 80 08 0A 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Harbh S	04 18 99 24 5A 16 9A 07 08 18 94 00 00 00 00 00 01 02 01 80 56 01 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
G McG'h	04 20 4D 2A 7C 86 98 01 05 B8 91 04 00 00 00 00 B1 03 01 80 34 B1 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

 

[Tom Halsey]

FF=creamed around the park

Like what happens to you quite often, then?

 

[octobertiger]

Hi guys, am here to help!?!

OK, there's a lot been done and am v impressed!

Thing is, this offset-hopping is a little confusing for me. I need a practical example, if someone is willing to tell me quickly!

Tresco's 7th and 8th offsets are 03 and 0C...I think...what does that entail? Could someone explain each digit...please??

 

[octobertiger]

not in great depth, just quickly so i can cross-reference it with what has already been written. thanks!

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Hi guys, am here to help!?!

OK, there's a lot been done and am v impressed!

Thing is, this offset-hopping is a little confusing for me. I need a practical example, if someone is willing to tell me quickly!

Tresco's 7th and 8th offsets are 03 and 0C...I think...what does that entail? Could someone explain each digit...please??

Very quickly:

First digit, 0 means the same as 8. It means he is a batsman, basically.

3 means he's a pretty good batsman - nothing special, a bit worse than Vaughan and Butcher, better than most crap ones, on a par with Flintoff.

The C then adjusts this, so he is slightly below Flintoff, who has an F.

Hope that helps.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Sam just about covers it.

The key process we're doing now is working out bowling abilities. We're fairly sure they're influenced by digit 1 from offset 11 and digit 2 from offset 10 - we're just looking for evidential proof.

That means hacking an offset and running a new game as Australia manager upto your first game - you can then see the season results for the player you hacked.

And Halsey - FF makes you expensive, but we've also found it doesn't half help boost your Strike Rate!

 

[octobertiger]

That's kewl but, going back on the topic, I cannot accept that in the batting offset, 0 means the same as 8. Everything is for a reason, right?

It's interesting that, in the table, Vaughan, Butcher, Hussain, Thorpe and Stewart have 8s - and they are seen as more recognised test batsmen than the others, who have 0s. Tresco underperforms in the game and has a 0; perhaps an 8 would have helped him.

Tendulkar has an 8. Lara has an 8. Ponting has an 8. Test superstars.

Hick has a 0. Afthab Habib has a 0. Disappointing at test level, to say the least.

Any comments? Is this worth testing??

 

[Jamee999]

Good Point

 

[octobertiger]

I'm not sure I agree that offset 13 is for just "economy rate"

If you scroll down the column, you will see that Ian Bell (him again!) has the highest rate of all. Yet I use him regularly as a 4th/5th bowler, and he is very successful, picking up two or three wickets most innings. His economy rate is not the lowest in the world, and he can go for a couple of expensive overs, but its not outlandish and no he doesn't get "creamed around the park". He's almost on the par of an all-rounder, in fact. Think he started out as a successful bowler anyways.

Maybe another offset modifies this.

 

[octobertiger]

Back to Offset 7.

A Flower 8
R Dravid 8
A Gilchrist 8
M Hayden 8
C Gayle 8
S Katich 8
J Langer 8
M Waugh 8
S Waugh 8



M Ramprakash 0
C Taylor 0
T Taibu 0
L Vincent 0
S Lee 0
M Bevan 0 (not a star at test cricket, unf)
D Lehmann 0
H Bashir and a lot of Bangladeshi players 0

.....I think I might be right!! Any other players you can think of??

 

[Neil Pickup]

Further testing has revealed that 13 isn't just Economy rate - it also results in a higher strike rate.

Shoaib Akhtar has 80.

Testing FF with Hussain in the "economy rate" resulted with 107 wickets in 13 games.

Your first point is interesting. However, Butcher, Stewart, Thorpe & Hussain are all poor on the game.

It's worth further testing by all means, give it a shot

 

[Neil Pickup]

Maybe it's something to do with mindset? :alien8:

See what happens when you edit it 0 to 8.

 

[octobertiger]

I changed Thorpe's 8 to an 0. His average in the 7 test matches changed from 39 to 19.

Am about to change Hick's from 0 to 8.

Mindset? Perhaps. But don't batsmen's preferences cover this anyway? Unless its a mental toughness stat or summat.

I still think 8=more chance of having a test career. The Australian batsmen with 8 tend to dominate the test squad. Anyways. We shall see.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Interesting. I'm a little transfixed by King's Lynn v Exeter right now.. will get cracking at full time.

 

[Cloete]

Well maybe it's what seperates test class batsmen from good first class players? I mean think how many of them there are around. Which would probably be a sort of menthal stat. Just a guess but it might be right.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Pietersen, Ian Bell & Bassano are all zeroes.