*Official* Australia tour of New Zealand Feb-Mar 2024

[TheJediBrah]

How do we explain Brad Haddin then?

To cater to blind and deaf fans?

 

[thundaboult]

I feel like Doug would have been a better choice for this test than Kuggeleijn.

But then again, I think any other NZ first-class cricketer would have been.

smith foulkes fisher boult shipley etc etc etc

 

[King Kane]

I feel like Doug would have been a better choice for this test than Kuggeleijn.

But then again, I think any other NZ first-class cricketer would have been.

Or any other Bracewell, Michael Bracewell would have been a much better pick, even John Bracewell would have been a better pick at his ripe old age.

 

[thundaboult]

btw...its been a 100 tests of tim southee, so how do we feel about his legacy?

for me the first phrase that comes to mind with him is "always blowing hot and cold" ....unfortunately

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

btw...its been a 100 tests of tim southee, so how do we feel about his legacy?

The less said about his batting, the better.

Definitely best to confine his legacy to his bowling where despite recent diminished returns, he has still been adequate.

 

[Moss]

btw...its been a 100 tests of tim southee, so how do we feel about his legacy?

for me the first phrase that comes to mind with him is "always blowing hot and cold" ....unfortunately

If we’re talking test cricket alone he’s generally been close to, if not right up there with the best among his peers. While he’s sometimes notably gone missing, like in Australia 2015, the way he turned around a generally poor test career in 2012 to become leader of the attack in less than a year was quite something. Been very good since, and NZ have usually missed him when he’s not been around due to injuries. Very respectable in Asia too.

I have a lot less time for Southee the white ball bowler (though he’s been surprisingly resilient in T20 and somehow enjoyed favour with IPL sides), and I wish he’d followed Anderson’s example of ditching the shorter formats and working more on his red-ball craft, but I guess that’s not a practical choice for a NZer. Despite the recent decline, we should be thankful for his efforts in NZ’s revival since the dark days of captaincygate in 2012-13.

 

[Nintendo]

Australia: Lose the toss and bowl; bowl nz out for 162, 124/4 trailing by 38 at the end of the day.

Headline: Smith sinks to 10 year low as Aussies exposed.

Like are these journos watching the same game we are?

 

[Bahnz]

btw...its been a 100 tests of tim southee, so how do we feel about his legacy?

for me the first phrase that comes to mind with him is "always blowing hot and cold" ....unfortunately

He's an NZ great. Did he achieve all that he should have? No. Is he a distant third in the Soultner ranks? Yes. Is he one of NZ's top 5 bowlers? Also yes.

 

[thundaboult]

on that note, for the 100 with kane the phrase that comes to mind automatically is "one of our best ever" ....although in 2015-ish my expectation was more along the lines of "our best ever"

sadly after 2018 his performances against the the big teams (especially away) have dipped, felt he was much better on away tracks before then

despite that, wouldn't even dare thinking of dropping him...EVER, which is a lot different to timmy

 

[thundaboult]

If we’re talking test cricket alone he’s generally been close to, if not right up there with the best among his peers. While he’s sometimes notably gone missing, like in Australia 2015, the way he turned around a generally poor test career in 2012 to become leader of the attack in less than a year was quite something. Been very good since, and NZ have usually missed him when he’s not been around due to injuries. Very respectable in Asia too.

I have a lot less time for Southee the white ball bowler (though he’s been surprisingly resilient in T20 and somehow enjoyed favour with IPL sides), and I wish he’d followed Anderson’s example of ditching the shorter formats and working more on his red-ball craft, but I guess that’s not a practical choice for a NZer. Despite the recent decline, we should be thankful for his efforts in NZ’s revival since the dark days of captaincygate in 2012-13.

yeah good point, also remember him being pretty poor in tests from mid 2015 to end of 2016, and i remember us facing aussies twice (home and away), india away, eng and sa away in that period....kinda just defines him really....didn't kick on at the biggest/toughest of stages

 

[thundaboult]

He's an NZ great. Did he achieve all that he should have? No. Is he a distant third in the Soultner ranks? Yes. Is he one of NZ's top 5 bowlers? Also yes.

assuming bond, boult, wagner, hadlee being the better ones? vettori another long-timer but a bowling average of 34 for him

 

[Bahnz]

assuming bond, boult, wagner, hadlee being the better ones? vettori another long-timer but a bowling average of 34 for him

Hadlee, Boult, Wagner, Southee, Vettori. Bond a potentially great bowler, but imo if you can't make it to 100 wickets in the modern era you don't belong in the ranks.

 

[_Ed_]

Hadlee, Boult, Wagner, Southee, Vettori. Bond a potentially great bowler, but imo if you can't make it to 100 wickets in the modern era you don't belong in the ranks.

*sad Simon Doull noise*

 

[Moss]

yeah good point, also remember him being pretty poor in tests from mid 2015 to end of 2016, and i remember us facing aussies twice (home and away), india away, eng and sa away in that period....kinda just defines him really....didn't kick on at the biggest/toughest of stages

The period you’re referring to coincided with a crazy workload for him and Boult. All those tests and ODIs leading up to the WC, IPL immediately after that, England tour after that (including a bunch of ODIs) etc. Unsurprisingly he was injured and didn’t make the India tour in 2016. If that period really defines him, I’d blame a fair bit on workload management.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Or any other Bracewell, Michael Bracewell would have been a much better pick, even John Bracewell would have been a better pick at his ripe old age.

Hell, even Melanie Bracewell could probably do a better job

 

[King Kane]

btw...its been a 100 tests of tim southee, so how do we feel about his legacy?

for me the first phrase that comes to mind with him is "always blowing hot and cold" ....unfortunately

He is good enough to be an all time great NZ cricketer but not good enough to be an all time great world cricketer like Hadlee but not many are.

He would be in our top few test bowlers of all time, you could argue that Shane Bond was a better test bowler but Southee beats him for longevity.

I thought he could be our next great all rounder when he smashed that 77 no against England on test debut but his batting went downhill from there.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Hell, even Melanie Bracewell could probably do a better job

Not sure you need the "Hell, even" at the beginning of that.

 

[Moss]

The less said about his batting, the better.

Definitely best to confine his legacy to his bowling where despite recent diminished returns, he has still been adequate.

No question his batting influence (if not legacy) has been a terrible one on an otherwise capable NZ tail, best summed up by Boult skying one to third man when NZ were trying to save the 2015 Lords test.

 

[King Kane]

Hell, even Melanie Bracewell could probably do a better job

She's tall and is a good netballer, if she could learn to bowl pace she could be the next Jamieson at least for our women's team.

 

[Starfighter]

love sears' bowling action

Looks a lot like Kugglejuggle's, which people seem to hate.