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ODI Wicket Keeper Poll: Discussion

TheJediBrah

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Gilly definitely improves post that time, but still isn't faster than Sehwag
Their strike rates are pretty much the same actually, Gilchrist with the better average. I'm not saying this is definitive of anything, as all stats are context-dependent, but just pointing out that this comment below isn't an honest representation:
Sehwag was also 10% faster and they both played in basically the same era.
So WC final performances vs being consistently faster.
 

Thala_0710

International Vice-Captain
Their strike rates are pretty much the same actually, Gilchrist with the better average. I'm not saying this is definitive of anything, as all stats are context-dependent, but just pointing out that this comment below isn't an honest representation:
Yeah but Gilly only debuted about 2.5 years previous to Sehwag. It's not like that's a massive difference. The statement holds keeping that into account.
 

capt_Luffy

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Sehwag was also 10% faster and they both played in basically the same era.
So WC final performances vs being consistently faster.
Between 2001 (when Sehwag became a regular, before which he had 3 caps) and 2008 (Gilchrist retired), Gilchrist has a 2 run higher SR and that too quite influenced by 2008. Also averaged 4 runs higher. Don't think Sehwag and Gilchrist are interchangeable in ODIs really. And Gilchrist was a regular for a good 4 years before Sehwag became one.
 

Thala_0710

International Vice-Captain
Between 2001 (when Sehwag became a regular, before which he had 3 caps) and 2008 (Gilchrist retired), Gilchrist has a 2 run higher SR and that too quite influenced by 2008. Also averaged 4 runs higher. Don't think Sehwag and Gilchrist are interchangeable in ODIs really. And Gilchrist was a regular for a good 4 years before Sehwag became one.
Yeah but why are we cutting out the rest of their careers? Gilchrist not being at that level before 2001 brings him down a bit as well
 

TheJediBrah

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Yeah but Gilly only debuted about 2.5 years previous to Sehwag. It's not like that's a massive difference. The statement holds keeping that into account.
No, Gilly was more or less a regular from 1996/97 onwards and while Sehwag may have debuted in 1999 he played a total of 3 ODI games until 2001-02. Gilchrist was playing a full 5 years in the era of ODI cricket that was noticeably lower and slower-scoring whereas Sehwag came in right as the more batting-friendly conditions where kicking off.

Even though their careers largely overlapped, it's not an honest assessment to say they played in the same era in regard to Strike-rate
 

TheJediBrah

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Yeah but why are we cutting out the rest of their careers? Gilchrist not being at that level before 2001 brings him down a bit as well
Bro the answer to this question is exactly what we have been talking about:
Gilchrist was playing a full 5 years in the era of ODI cricket that was noticeably lower and slower-scoring
It's not just about cutting out parts of careers. It's about how ODI cricket changed in that time
 

Thala_0710

International Vice-Captain
Bro the answer to this question is exactly what we have been talking about:

It's not just about cutting out parts of careers. It's about how ODI cricket changed in that time
I think the difference and how much odi changed in that period is being exaggerated. The global SRs went from 71.75 in 96-00 to 74.1 in 01-05. It's not that big of a change
 

TheJediBrah

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I think the difference and how much odi changed in that period is being exaggerated. The global SRs went from 71.75 in 96-00 to 74.1 in 01-05. It's not that big of a change
That's reasonable, but it's still a significant change. Average team scores would have gotten bigger as well.

But again, you specifically said "they played in basically the same era", but when you take the exact years they played together (ie the only time they were definitively playing "in the same era"), Gilchrist was measurably statistically superior
 

capt_Luffy

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Yeah but why are we cutting out the rest of their careers? Gilchrist not being at that level before 2001 brings him down a bit as well
Don't think it does honestly. Averaged the same practically and the Era SR was lower. From 96 to 2000 the SR was 71, and from 2008 and 13 it was 79. Think perfectly balance out any SR advantage of Sehwag there.
 

Thala_0710

International Vice-Captain
That's reasonable, but it's still a significant change. Average team scores would have gotten bigger as well.

But again, you specifically said "they played in basically the same era", but when you take the exact years they played together (ie the only time they were definitively playing "in the same era"), Gilchrist was measurably statistically superior
Fair enough. And I would have Gilly slightly above Sehwag too but there isn't much difference imo, which was my original point. Gilly being the 12th greatest odi bat and Sehwag not being top 40 seems inconsistent.
 

Line and Length

International Coach
I'm surprised that so much discussion, directly or indirectly, is making reference to the ODI Batsmen Poll. That's done and dusted, regardless of views of the results. Surely this should be about wicketkeepers, not Gillie vs Sehwag.
 

Thala_0710

International Vice-Captain
Dhoni seems guaranteed for no 1 and Gilly for 2, Buttler vs Abd vs Qdk the race for the podium with Buttler leading as of now.
 

Line and Length

International Coach
As expected, the first 6 slots were almost unanimous.
It should get interesting from here - if we have enough members voting.
 

TheJediBrah

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I see Haddin getting some votes, nothing special as a career but probably sneaks into a top 10

He was unfortunate IMO not to have given the opening role more. Was much better suited to that position and would have had a better career batting-wise. Also missed a lot of his peak years not able to make the team because of Gilchrist.
 

Line and Length

International Coach
I'm a little surprised to see Jonny Bairstow and Heinrich Klaasen gaining votes at this relatively early stage. Bairstow was only the designated keeper 17 times in 107 ODIs while Klaasen has kept 23 times in 60 ODIs.
I guess a precedent was set with de Villiers who also played primarily as a batsman. When will Rahul Dravid (73 games as keeper) come under consideration?
 

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