ODI All Rounder Poll - Discussions

[Line and Length]

At what point do guys like Tendulkar start getting votes

With a bowling average in the mid 40s and only 1 wicket every 3 games - not for a while.

 

[Line and Length]

Not in top 30
Guys like Harris/Jadeja are better all rounders than Sachin

... and I'd rate Collingwood ahead of all 3.

 

[Bolo.]

At what point do guys like Tendulkar start getting votes

Never for me. Got to draw a line somewhere about what an AR is, and he is below it. I would have already voted for him if we were just looking for best player though.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

... and I'd rate Collingwood ahead of all 3.

Harris was better than Collingwood. Worse batsman, much better bowler, and slightly better fielder. Collingwood, who was good, was more Scott Styris/Grant Elliot level.

 

[Sunil1z]

Harris was better than Collingwood. Worse batsman, much better bowler, and slightly better fielder. Collingwood, who was good, was more Scott Styris/Grant Elliot level.

Your opinion on Jadeja vs Harris ?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Your opinion on Jadeja vs Harris ?

Very close. Not sure. Jadeja always seems to score a lot of runs against us.

 

[Sunil1z]

I think Harris has the edge in batting, Jadeja in bowling. I am not sure about fielding. Both are /were extremely good fielders .

 

[capt_Luffy]

Jadeja's bowling stats are quite mid though

 

[Line and Length]

Harris was better than Collingwood. Worse batsman, much better bowler, and slightly better fielder. Collingwood, who was good, was more Scott Styris/Grant Elliot level.

Statistically Collingwood was a vastly superior batsman (ave 35.36 v 25.00) with 5 centuries to one from fewer games.
He was only marginally behind Harris in bowling average (38.68 v 37.50). How does the latter equate to Harris being a "much better bowler"?
Fielding wise, I'd take Collingwood.
Well leave it to the voters, but .....

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Statistically Collingwood was a vastly superior batsman (ave 35.36 v 25.00) with 5 centuries to one from fewer games.
He was only marginally behind Harris in bowling average (38.68 v 37.50). How does the latter equate to Harris being a "much better bowler"?
Fielding wise, I'd take Collingwood.
Well leave it to the voters, but .....

Harris averaged 29.
He was a quality middle overs bowler, while Collingwood was more part-time. Look at economy rates and find Harris re fielding on YouTube. He was Jonty/Ponting/Symonds/Gibbs level, while Collingwood was a tier below.

 

[Line and Length]

Harris averaged 29.
He was a quality middle overs bowler, while Collingwood was more part-time. Look at economy rates and find Harris re fielding on YouTube. He was Jonty/Ponting/Symonds/Gibbs level, while Collingwood was a tier below.

My error.
Collingwood did quite well as a 'part timer'.

 

[Cricket Bliss]

Kapil is getting a lot of unnecessary stick for a 23 average career imo. Most likely it is because we are seeing his career from the lens of 2025 when ODI batting records has reached historically high proportions. The era that he played in, 30 was a reasonably good average for a middle order batsman and he played mostly at 6-7 where he averaged 25-26 (May be even higher if he didn't play as many matches as he did, which was abnormally high for an all rounder for that era). Just in the 80s, he averaged 30+ in positions 6 and 7 over 87 innings which was a pretty big sample size. For lower order batsmen who come in after 40th over mostly, SR takes precedence over average, and he was one of the best ever in history in that role. One of the 4-5 candidates for the best ever allrounder.

Genuine criticism of him should be that he flopped badly batting up the order and his bad decline in the last few years which messed up his averages.

Kapil also once held the record for the highest odi score... Not many bowling all rounders could do that, also an ATG knock

 

[capt_Luffy]

Kapil also once held the record for the highest odi score... Not many bowling all rounders could do that, also an ATG knock

Not just an ATG knock, arguably THE ATG knock

 

[Sunil1z]

Not just an ATG knock, arguably THE ATG knock

I think now Maxwell 201 holds the title . Kapil’s knock would still be considered top 5

 

[Cricket Bliss]

Was Kapil the greatest odi Indian batsmen untill Azharuddin arrived?

 

[Qlder]

Kapil also once held the record for the highest odi score... Not many bowling all rounders could do that, also an ATG knock

For perspective, that was against Zimbabwe in their 5th ever ODI (they won only 3 of their first 40 ODI's). That was a great innings but definitely an outlier like Gillespie's Test double hundred

 

[Cricket Bliss]

For perspective, that was against Zimbabwe in their 5th ever ODI (they won only 3 of their first 40 ODI's). That was a great innings but definitely an outlier like Gillespie's Test double hundred

17/5 mate

 

[capt_Luffy]

For perspective, that was against Zimbabwe in their 5th ever ODI (they won only 3 of their first 40 ODI's). That was a great innings but definitely an outlier like Gillespie's Test double hundred

Gillespie was double wasn't a top tier knock under high pressure against the team who have defeated Australia prior and boosted a pretty reasonable line-up of Rawson, Traicos, Curran and Fletcher.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Was Kapil the greatest odi Indian batsmen untill Azharuddin arrived?

Kapil definitely was the best lower order batsman till like Klusener arrived. In India, I will say top 3 definitely. Gavaskar, after everything, actually has pretty good stats for the era (his SR is like 2 runs lower than Greenidge and higher than Haynes) and Vengsarkar was fine ig. Though by role and importance, it probably was him.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I think now Maxwell 201 holds the title . Kapil’s knock would still be considered top 5

Arguable for me. Will learn Maxwell as I am biased towards have watched it live (and those cramps), but Kapil has as much a claim as well (tbh, biased towards it as well, arguably more so)