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NZ Domestic Transfers - 2004/2005

Kent

State 12th Man
Mingster said:
The Wellington lineup will be very weak this year without the Black Caps.
Maybe, seeing Matthew Walker's career is also in limbo AFAIK. Apparently he was leaning towards staying in Taranaki and managing his parents' farm.

Franklin still isn't a dead cert to make every Black Caps XI (especially if Bond returns), and I get the feeling he'll really dominate the domestic scene when involved from now on. We've still got some useful f/c performers around like Bell, Nevin and Gillespie, so I don't think we'll suddenly be 'Otago' bad. We perhaps should've fought harder to lure Sherlock over from Nelson though. People other than the 60+'s (and, well, me) may have made a habit of passing through the Basin to see either Ryder or Sherlock in action.

There was an interesting story on Ryder in the Dom Post's sport lift-out yesterday. Apparently what people are saying off the record about his problems with booze are pretty alarming. One unnamed Wellington official even said he won't be expected to be in Wellington colours at any stage next season.
 

southern man

U19 Cricketer
Kent said:
so I don't think we'll suddenly be 'Otago' bad.
We have not been the worest team in the comp at any real time, We have just been consistantley around 3rd to 5th. We have either started the season well or finished it well.
Like last year we only just missed out on the final of the state championship.
Northern Districts were by far the worest team in the comp last season couldin't win anything.
 

Mingster

State Regular
Come on, you guys have the reputation of having the worst depth in domestic cricket for a long time.
 

Craig

World Traveller
Mingster said:
Good pay? lol

Bloody easy job!
I did it and got $17 a game.

It isn't too bad providing you know what you are doing and keep the game moving.
 

Craig

World Traveller
Kent said:
Franklin still isn't a dead cert to make every Black Caps XI (especially if Bond returns)
Now before people say I have no idea on what I'm talking about, IMO I have strong doubts on whether or not we will see Bond wearing his Black Cap in Tests and in ODIs.

I like the look of Franklin, he has the ability to make it as a bowling all-rounder, and the fact he is a left armer, is a bonus and at least gives the 'variation' arguement.
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
I read the Press in Christchurch and they reckon Bond is a certainty for the ICC Trophy in September unless of course he breaks down again.

Apparently the word is that Bond will only play ODI's until they fully believe he is capable of playing both test & ODI cricket.

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I do feel sorry for Otago..I mean they lose quite a few players due to players believing they need to shift north in order to enhance their chances of playing for the BC's or because there is nothing really else to do in Dunedin (no offence) lol. The fact is though..that both Cumming & Hopkins have proved that Otago players do get noticed if they put the numbers up on the board.
The problem I see for Otago is that they've never had a good batting lineup..they've had good bowlers & all-rounders but their specialist batting usually ends at #4 and thats not going to win you championships.
I've said before that Otago should be looking at Gary Stead who I think will struggle to make the Canterbury side this year.
The other player i'd suggest would be David Kelly who transferred to Northern a few years back from C.D but then went to Canterbury & hasn't really been seen since. He's a good player & would definately strengthen the batting.
 

Mingster

State Regular
Jarrod Englefield wouldn't be a bad buy for Otago either. He was a very talented player and was labelled "the next big thing" in his first season with Canterbury and has gone somehwat quite ever since. Still very young.
 

Mingster

State Regular
Gary Stead is already contracted to Canterbury for a few years Tim. His contract includes a contract in the Academy helping coach players as well as playing of couse.
 

southern man

U19 Cricketer
Englifield plays for CD, Stead is to old and is to Canterbury for us to get.
Have to remeber that we do alot of career resurecting but then after the player gets noticed again they **** off back the their old province Richardson, Horne, Walmsley, Pryor, Wiseman (while he didn't go home he did leave us) and more.
Then there was Brendon McCullum who because of his wife getting small town fever he ditched us.
Basically until we have players who are dedicated to the province, and not not to their pockets or themselves we will stay a midtable team. We have enough young talent coming through in the province.
 

Mingster

State Regular
Really, not many players care about being loyal to their provinces.

McCullum left to pursue to Black Caps Test career.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Tim said:
I read the Press in Christchurch and they reckon Bond is a certainty for the ICC Trophy in September unless of course he breaks down again.

Apparently the word is that Bond will only play ODI's until they fully believe he is capable of playing both test & ODI cricket.
A decision that has to be applauded.

In this day and age, bowlers need to be looked after, especially those that are prone to injury.

England did a similar thing to Simon Jones earlier in the summer, and hopefully that will mean he returns for the West Indies series fit and raring to go.
 

Kent

State 12th Man
southern man said:
No he didn't he left because his wife found Dunedin to small.
Well thats what he told an old age grade coach of his.
Yes, his wife perhaps also told him it would keep Papps the hell away from any regular wicket-keeping duties! Which did Hopkins' career a huge favour, not that he looked out of place the other morning.

Papps would be better served aiming to be NZ's #1 first slip these days. Only stubborn 'Donkey' pride is in the way...
 

Kent

State 12th Man
southern man said:
We have not been the worest team in the comp at any real time, We have just been consistantley around 3rd to 5th. We have either started the season well or finished it well.
Like last year we only just missed out on the final of the state championship.
Northern Districts were by far the worest team in the comp last season couldin't win anything.
Ah yes, the "stop saying it's cold in Invercargill" fish. Always a reliable catch... ;)

The truth is it's really geography and tradition that keeps Otago as one of our 'big 6'.

On a population basis, the Hawke's Bay now have more right to their own f/c side. The fact that Otago can still be competitive is a credit to them, and makes what we saw from ND last year a disgrace.
 
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Kent

State 12th Man
Sorry, it wasn't 'a Wellington official' who said Ryder wouldn't play this season, it was just 'a cricket figure'.

From e-city.co.nz (using my card)....

THE DOMINION POST, 2 JUL 2004, Edition 2, Page 12.
RYDER ON THE STORM
By: MILLMOW Jonathan


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Jesse Ryder is talented cricketer keen to put troubles of the past behind him. Jonathan Millmow talks to the new Wellington Firebirds recruit about making a fresh start in the capital.

IF Jesse Ryder proves as hard to dislodge at the crease as he is interview then Wellington are in for a profitable summer. The most talked about young cricketer since Daniel Vettori swept on to the first-class scene as a 17 year-old in 1996, is on the move. And its not because big, fat chequebooks are being waved in his face.

The swashbuckling left-hand batsman desperately needs a fresh start. The mere fact that a 19-year-old needs that after just eight games for Central Districts is a sign in itself that all is not well.

And it's not. There is an unanimous feeling at Central that Ryder is close to self-destructing due to his off-field activities, essentially his battle with the demon drink.

Such is the sensitivity of the subject that no one at Central wishes to speak publicly of Ryder's plight, but turn off the tape and stories are disturbing.

Central feel they have done everything within their power to help, none more so than former coach Mark Greatbatch, who even went as far as arranging Ryder a job as a farm hand.

Ryder was also enrolled into a course at Brendon Bracewell's sports education facility in Masterton but his attendance rate in recent times has been poor.

A trip across to Greytown this week to learn more about the teenage batting sensation, who everyone describes as a "nice kid", is a fruitless exercise.

Ryder is not in a mood to talk. Friendly and polite, yes, but there is not going to be any admission that he had ever gone off the rails.

"There was only really one incident in Hawke's Bay, but that got pretty much blown out of proportion," he said.

On that occasion Ryder missed a team curfew of 11.30pm during a Chapple Cup match for Hawke's Bay.

But that incident isn't as isolated as Ryder makes it sound. As one coach said this week: "I could write a book about Jesse."

Ryder managed only two firstclass matches for Central last season before being dropped "on form", despite scoring a 49 in his last innings.

He claims an inflamed shoulder was more the reason.

He also defends his poor attendance rate at Bracewell's facility, saying there had been a lot on his plate recently with approaches from Wellington, Canterbury and his relatively long-time link to Central.

Ryder sparks up slightly when the subject switches to playing in a new environment that might, on occasions, feature New Zealand captain Stephen Fleming.

"I want to start a new life down there. VJ (Wellington coach Vaughn Johnson) said he'll give me a new start. He doesn't care what's happened in the past and that's good, so I need to take my chance," Ryder says.

"I made a few mistakes here and there last season but that's in the past now."

Johnson said this week that Ryder had no conditions attached to his contract with Wellington, but it goes without saying that the forthright coach will have given him the message.

One cricket figure went as far this week as suggesting - off the record - that Ryder would not even appear in Wellington colours this season.

That sort of talk might just be what Ryder needs, because there is a sense of hurt at his reputation being sullied.

"I've got a few people to prove wrong," Ryder says.

He won't say who, and won't say where they're from.

"All around the country," he adds after persistent pressing.

Central chief executive Blair Furlong is one who will be quoted, to a point.

"We are delighted Jesse is going to keep playing cricket and disappointed he is leaving CD, but we wish him well," Furlong said.

"He has some issues to confront and hopefully Erv (McSweeney, Wellington's chief executive) and VJ can achieve something we could not."

Furlong declined to elaborate any further. New Zealand Academy coach Dayle Hadlee will only talk about Ryder's cricketing ability.

Ryder was in the 2002 intake and during that time he produced one of the innings that Hadlee rates up with anything he's seen.

Ryder scored 181 against an Australian Academy side in Australia that Hadlee said was full of young first-class players.

"He played seriously well that day and he batted six hours, which was quite something for such a destructive player.

"I rate him as one of the three best players I've seen through here in terms of being unorthodox and exciting. The other two are Brendon McCullum and Ross Taylor.

"He can play off both feet, if you bowl short he will kill you and if you pitch it up he will look to hit you down the ground.

I saw Jesse score a first-class 100 against Canterbury as a 17 or just 18- year-old and you just had to marvel at the talent, enthusiasm and ambition he had that day.

"At the under-19 World Cup in Christchurch he pulverised the Australians - both their opening bowlerswere off after four overs. He is also a fine slips fieldsman and a very good medium pace bowler.

"Put it this way, in two World Cup's time if Jesse, Brendon McCullum and Ross Taylor are together anything could happen."

It goes without saying that Johnson is now the man with whom Ryder's cricket career rests. It is a huge responsibility and for it to work Johnson needs Ryder to keep his side of the deal.
 
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Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
Well if Martin Crowe has got his way he'll be wanting Super Max back but i'd much prefer to see Twenty20 introduced here.
 

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