Struggled to make it out second-tier Saffa domestic cricket too. Great example.
Just goes to show how truly subjective these things are.
This is a really good shout. The back end of his career was miles better than the first half. Was a bit like Gooch, though Gooch tbf was not really considered ordinary at the start, just he got even better with age.
I would have said that Jimmy was a serious talent as a youngster who spent years failing before finally waking up and smelling the copy. Surely a "no-hoper" who made it would be someone with a lot less talent who somehow gouged out a career. For England, that would be Paul Collingwood.
Mind you, I'm kind of of the opinion that if they were playing Test Cricket in the first place then they were hardly no hopers. Think we need more like Wagner who you'd have just never considered as a Test Cricketer (let alone a good one) early on. Not sure whether someone like Voges would count?
221 @25 after that
After 53 Tests he had 149W @ 38.81 and was looking like he might go down with one of the worst records ever. Final 52 Tests he had 162W @ 26.50
Yeah he'd be a decent shout you'd think. Huss maybe as well. Didn't dayboo til he was 30 odd, though I think he was more held back because Aus had so many guns rather than him being thought of as no good.
Yeah, I was thinking of Hussey too, but as you say, I think he was always good enough, he just didn't get the opportunities.
Four years into his career, so by that point he'd already got kinda goodMy very first post on Wagner is pretty on the ball too.
If you read my post, I was also exclusively going by what our Kiwi posters here had to say. But wont mind taking some undeserved credit in these Trumpian days, ya know.Four years into his career, so by that point he'd already got kinda good
was 94W @ 29 by this pointMy very first post on Wagner is pretty on the ball too.
Boo hoo. He still got better.
ICC Test bowling rankings also had him at 9th, above Boult & Southee (and Philander/Hazlewood)
