Mohammad Rizwan

[Fuller Pilch]

Not much between QDK, Rizwan, and Pant imo. Am looking forward to seeing how Blundell goes too - could score a lot of runs at 6/7.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Pant has the big advantage of playing for a high profile team, which will probably lead to him being more highly rated than the other 2 in the long run, even if he's not as good

 

[Bahseph]

As a Saffer I would love to hear the opinions about QDK. As purely a wicket keeper batsman I think he is excellent. Safe behind the stumps and a dangerous batsman in all three formats. In SA cricket circles that tends to be overlooked because we want him to be at the level of the elite batsman in world cricket line Kane,Virat,Smith,Root etc etc. But as a keeper bat is there any team that wouldn't want him?

 

[Tom Flint]

All 3 would get into every test team as a batsman alone. Other than maybe new Zealand and india

 

[trundler]

All 3 would get into every test team as a batsman alone. Other than maybe new Zealand and india

You mean especially India.

 

[harsh.ag]

QdK and Rizwan instead of Pujara and Rahane would be h4x

 

[Flem274*]

forgot qdk. yeah he's the best.

 

[honestbharani]

QdK and Rizwan instead of Pujara and Rahane would be h4x

QdK, Rizwan and Pant at 4,5 and 6 would be nightmares for most bowling attacks. But the thing is, like most dream teams, reality wont work out like that. The keepers can bat with freedom (the ones that do, obviously) mainly coz their primary role is another one. I know it has become more and more about the batting since Gilchrist but I still think it takes a LOT for a keeper to become a proper specialist batsman. Many have failed, some have managed to be around (like Bairstow) but very very few have succeeded. Those who have, had made the switch very early on too.

There was a time Greg Chappell was sure DK will be a very good batsman across formats and did not need to keep. We saw how that worked out.

 

[harsh.ag]

QdK, Rizwan and Pant at 4,5 and 6 would be nightmares for most bowling attacks. But the thing is, like most dream teams, reality wont work out like that. The keepers can bat with freedom (the ones that do, obviously) mainly coz their primary role is another one. I know it has become more and more about the batting since Gilchrist but I still think it takes a LOT for a keeper to become a proper specialist batsman. Many have failed, some have managed to be around (like Bairstow) but very very few have succeeded. Those who have, had made the switch very early on too.

There was a time Greg Chappell was sure DK will be a very good batsman across formats and did not need to keep. We saw how that worked out.

Give them all keeping duties for 30 overs a day

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I know it has become more and more about the batting since Gilchrist but I still think it takes a LOT for a keeper to become a proper specialist batsman. Many have failed, some have managed to be around (like Bairstow) but very very few have succeeded. Those who have, had made the switch very early on too.

McCullum made the switch quite late

 

[Tom Flint]

Mushfiqur done well

 

[Flem274*]

prior could have been a specialist batsman, abdv and watling both began as specialists and it showed in how they went about batting.

 

[honestbharani]

Mushy and Baz juz become the exceptions that prove the rule, tbh.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I still think it takes a LOT for a keeper to become a proper specialist batsman. Many have failed, some have managed to be around (like Bairstow) but very very few have succeeded. Those who have, had made the switch very early on too.

It's the opposite actually. If you stop keeping your batting output will generally improve (eg. Sanga), for anyone who has kept to a decent standard for 80+ overs at a time the reasons behind this should be unsurprising.

 

[honestbharani]

It's the opposite actually. If you stop keeping your batting output will generally improve (eg. Sanga), for anyone who has kept to a decent standard for 80+ overs at a time the reasons behind this should be unsurprising.

You assume everyone is as good a bat as Sanga or Walcott, for that matter. If you have grown up all your life as a wicket keeper and your style of batting is based on that fact that you have a dual role in the team, it can be hard. I actually saw club cricketers in the TNCA league struggle with this switch and not make it beyond Div 3 or Div 2.

For context, TNCA has/had 5 divisions and Div 1 is the highest. It is a professional league that attracts/used to attract top Ranji talent every year.

 

[TheJediBrah]

You assume everyone is as good a bat as Sanga or Walcott, for that matter. If you have grown up all your life as a wicket keeper and your style of batting is based on that fact that you have a dual role in the team, it can be hard. I actually saw club cricketers in the TNCA league struggle with this switch and not make it beyond Div 3 or Div 2.

For context, TNCA has/had 5 divisions and Div 1 is the highest. It is a professional league that attracts/used to attract top Ranji talent every year.

Well the context of this discussion we is about players that are batting well enough as a keeper to potentially earn a position as a batsman, so we're not talking about guys averaging 25 here.

There could be an extreme minority of psychological cases where batting deteriorates when stopping keeping but they will absolutely be aberrations. The extra burden of keeping having a negative impact on batting output is a widely accepted phenomenon and has been a factor in team management and selection for over 100 years.

 

[anil1405]

prior could have been a specialist batsman

Replace 'could' with 'should'. England would've been better off having a keeper who knew how to hold on to catches.

 

[honestbharani]

There could be an extreme minority of psychological cases where batting deteriorates when stopping keeping but they will absolutely be aberrations. The extra burden of keeping having a negative impact on batting output is a widely accepted phenomenon and has been a factor in team management and selection for over 100 years.

This despite the fact that we have actually seen cases of Bairstow, DK, Parthiv etc.? And that is just off the top of my head in between a work meeting and only from the last 10 years or so. We have even seen QdK struggle to adjust when playing as a pure batsman.

 

[anil1405]

De Kock would've been an absolute legend had he played in 90s or 00s.

The fact that there is so much going on off the field with South African cricket is probably hampering his performance. There doesn't seem to be enough stability in the team over the past few years.

Besides South Africa appear to be playing less test cricket these days that De Kock isn't being noticed enough in the first place.

 

[TheJediBrah]

This despite the fact

yes. I'm sure there are exceptions but this is a pretty common phenomenon and it shouldn't be controversial