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Dasa

International Vice-Captain
Choice of woman to help coach causes stir
By John Townsend
October 14, 2005

FAST bowling coaches are astounded and angry that Australian women's team player Cathryn Fitzpatrick is assisting coach John Buchanan before the Test against the World XI starting in Sydney today.

Reacting rapidly to criticism that little was done to help the struggling pace brigade during the disastrous Ashes tour, Cricket Australia indicated that more specialist coaches would be used to help the players.

But several former Test players were astonished that 37-year-old Fitzpatrick, who has played 12 Tests and 96 one-dayers, would be used ahead of highly credentialled male coaches.

"I can't cop that," Terry Alderman said. "There are highly talented fast bowling coaches around the country who can't get jobs yet they get someone like that in."

Fitzpatrick was involved with the Australian team during the three one-dayers in Melbourne last week but sparked a minor controversy when one batsman refused to allow her to throw balls to him during a training session.

Geoff Lawson, who attended every day of the Ashes series but was not asked to help the pacemen despite offering his services to Buchanan, could not fathom Fitzpatrick's involvement with the Test team.

"It is simply bizarre," he said. "It is a symptom of too many peripheral and left-field coaching ideas rather than paying attention to the basics of preparing a cricket team to play a Test match. I don't know if Glenn McGrath or Brett Lee are going to pick up too much out of it, which makes you wonder what is the point of it."

But Dennis Lillee, who coached Fitzpatrick over several years during his time as head of Pace Australia, took a different tack with a tongue-in-cheek observation.

"You never know," he said. "If she paid attention to what I was saying, she might be able to add something of value."

Fitzpatrick, a club coach in Melbourne for eight years, was made a scholarship coach at Cricket Australia's Brisbane-based centre of excellence in April. Her partner, the recently retired Australian women's captain Belinda Clark, was appointed in July to run the new-generation academy.

A Cricket Australia spokesman yesterday said Fitzpatrick had not been brought in as a bowling coach. It is understood that she is not paid.

"She is doing an apprenticeship at the centre of excellence, and is here (in Sydney) assisting John Buchanan as an extra pair of hands in a range of ways, as assistant coaches do," the spokesman said.

Asked if Fitzpatrick was giving advice to any of Australia's bowlers, another spokesman said: "If she was asked, she might, but I've not seen her giving any of the bowlers coaching direction."


IMO, this is disgraceful IF people are objecting on the basis of Fitzpatrick being a woman. Sadly, I don't think any cricket team would be any better. What particularly galls me is this - "Fitzpatrick was involved with the Australian team during the three one-dayers in Melbourne last week but sparked a minor controversy when one batsman refused to allow her to throw balls to him during a training session." - I just don't understand it. Are women unable to throw balls correctly or something??
 

open365

International Vice-Captain
^i really dought thats the full truth.....

i've got nothign against women in sport,but i think her appointment might have something to do with appearing to be non-***ist in sport.

i coudln't really imagine her giving bret lee of glen mcgrath advice on how to bowl.
 

greg

International Debutant
open365 said:
^i really dought thats the full truth.....

i've got nothign against women in sport,but i think her appointment might have something to do with appearing to be non-***ist in sport.

i coudln't really imagine her giving bret lee of glen mcgrath advice on how to bowl.
And yet you have no problem with Troy Cooley assisting Flintoff, Harmison et al? 8-)

A bowling coach's job isn't to tell the bowlers how to bowl, but to assist them to see when things are going wrong, help them solve technical problems etc etc. "Bowling analyst" would probably be as good a description.
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
If the reason why people in the Australian coaching set-up are objecting to her is because she's a woman, then that is an absolute disgrace. Most teams have female masseuses - players don't object to being rubbed down by a woman, but they won't be coached by one? That's possibly the most ***ist thing I've ever heard of in sport, and the player who refused to take throwdowns from a woman should be totally ashamed of his behaviour. Utterly unacceptable.

I bet it was Matthew Hayden, the complete tosser.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Barney Rubble said:
I bet it was Matthew Hayden, the complete tosser.
Bit harsh on Hayden, who is a pretty nice guy from everything I've heard.

Anyway, it really depends on what she's being employed to do exactly. If it's an area she has knowledge in, obviously it's ridiculous to object, but if she's being employed as a bowling coach in the sense that she's there to solve technical problems, sort out bowling actions and so on... well I would have to agree there are probably more qualified coaches available in Australia. Then again, you don't have to be a great test-standard bowler yourself to be able to assist others with their bowling, and I can't imagine they'd employ her if she wasn't up to the job.
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
FaaipDeOiad said:
Bit harsh on Hayden, who is a pretty nice guy from everything I've heard.
I just don't like the guy to be honest. He did himself no favours with the Simon Jones incident in the ODIs, I can't shake the feeling that the swearing at a kid incident wasn't totally invented, and he was the only Australian player who actually got booed by the English fans when he came down to the boundary at the Oval - I just haven't seen much at all to give me the impression that he wouldn't be the kind of guy to do something like that, really. Likewise Ponting - just doesn't strike me as a particularly nice fella.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Barney Rubble said:
I just don't like the guy to be honest. He did himself no favours with the Simon Jones incident in the ODIs, I can't shake the feeling that the swearing at a kid incident wasn't totally invented, and he was the only Australian player who actually got booed by the English fans when he came down to the boundary at the Oval - I just haven't seen much at all to give me the impression that he wouldn't be the kind of guy to do something like that, really. Likewise Ponting - just doesn't strike me as a particularly nice fella.
Ponting is fair enough, but Hayden from everything I've heard about him is a pretty quiet and friendly guy... and frankly if an opposing fast bowler threw a ball at me and hit me I'd probably be a bit annoyed as well. Certainly Hayden was no more at fault than Mr. Smack-Myself-On-The-Head-When-I-Take-A-Wicket or Collingwood in that confrontation.

I don't have any particular love for Hayden, but I'd place him more in the Gilchrist or Lee category of Australian players who are genuinely nice guys than the Ponting/McGrath/Lehmann one.
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
FaaipDeOiad said:
Ponting is fair enough, but Hayden from everything I've heard about him is a pretty quiet and friendly guy... and frankly if an opposing fast bowler threw a ball at me and hit me I'd probably be a bit annoyed as well. Certainly Hayden was no more at fault than Mr. Smack-Myself-On-The-Head-When-I-Take-A-Wicket or Collingwood in that confrontation.

I don't have any particular love for Hayden, but I'd place him more in the Gilchrist or Lee category of Australian players who are genuinely nice guys than the Ponting/McGrath/Lehmann one.
Yeah, I guess I don't really have much reason to dislike Hayden - but I still do. :p I don't like Gilly either, but that's got more to do with his inane chatter from behind the stumps and his tendency to enjoy smashing English bowlers around than his actual personality.
 

Jamee999

Hall of Fame Member
Shane Warne to *insert English batsman here*, let's go live to stump mic.

Champagne bowling, Shane
Champagne bowling, Shane
Champagne bowling, Shane
Champagne bowling, Shane
Champagne bowling, Shane
Champagne bowling, Shane

OVER
 

Neil Pickup

Cricket Web Moderator
That's quite blatantly not ***ist. How much coaching experience does Fitzpatrick have?

The Troy Cooley comparison is completely inappropriate as Cooley has a career, experience and qualifications in bowling coaching. Fitzpatrick has... what?
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Neil Pickup said:
That's quite blatantly not ***ist. How much coaching experience does Fitzpatrick have?The Troy Cooley comparison is completely inappropriate as Cooley has a career, experience and qualifications in bowling coaching. Fitzpatrick has... what?
"Fitzpatrick, a club coach in Melbourne for eight years, was made a scholarship coach at Cricket Australia's Brisbane-based centre of excellence in April. "
 

greg

International Debutant
Neil Pickup said:
That's quite blatantly not ***ist. How much coaching experience does Fitzpatrick have?

The Troy Cooley comparison is completely inappropriate as Cooley has a career, experience and qualifications in bowling coaching. Fitzpatrick has... what?
The comment was "I couldn't really imagine her giving McGrath etc advice on how to bowl"

Why not? If it's because of her current lack of coaching credentials (although she has some) then fair enough.
 

Blaze

Banned
FaaipDeOiad said:
Bit harsh on Hayden, who is a pretty nice guy from everything I've heard.
IMO the only people that look like nice guys in the Aussie cricket team are Langer, Martyn and Gilly.

I always like Bichel when he was in the team. And Bevan looked like a decent guy too.
 

Neil Pickup

Cricket Web Moderator
Sanz said:
"Fitzpatrick, a club coach in Melbourne for eight years, was made a scholarship coach at Cricket Australia's Brisbane-based centre of excellence in April. "
Which is about twice as qualified as I am. Much as I'd like to think I'm halfway to coaching at Test level...
 

greg

International Debutant
Neil Pickup said:
Which is about twice as qualified as I am. Much as I'd like to think I'm halfway to coaching at Test level...
But she's not. Did you read the article?
 

age_master

Hall of Fame Member
Neil Pickup said:
Which is about twice as qualified as I am. Much as I'd like to think I'm halfway to coaching at Test level...

well she also played tests and ODI's, and was quite successful, but she is only doing an apprentiship, so she is there to learn and help out where she can.
 

greg

International Debutant
Neil Pickup said:
Or even doing what CF is doing...

[No, I didn't, and I probably should stop here but what the hell]
Well if you get the right breaks and 'know' the right people... ;)
 

Slow Love™

International Captain
I'm surprised nobody's made the "how could they tell she was a woman?" comment yet. If so, I'll be the first - how embarrassing.

In more serious terms, you have to cringe at Alderman's reference to "someone like that". By the sounds of things, she's only there as an apprentice anyway, and was simply helping out in a net session. So it's a bit of a spectacular beatup by Alderman and Lawson, all up.

I would be curious as to which batsman it was that refused to face her in the nets - perhaps we'll never know.
 

Linda

International Vice-Captain
Haha, if she was coaching, itd be a bit dodgy. What could she possibly advise McGrath or Lee on?
But shes just picking up tips on coaching, thats all, and like the article says she's not getting paid. Whats the big fuss here, exactly...?
 

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