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Lloyd/Marshall vs Ponting/McGrath

The better duo?

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subshakerz

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Johan said:
England is certainly very close. As I said classic West Indies, that means 2 of the 5 main used wickets are slow and for spinners where I think Lloyd and Marshall are just more at home, leaving us with Sabina Park and Kensigton Oval and I think those can go either way.

South Africa, as the Windies duo never got a chance, I don't think I can give a point for, as Ponting/McGrath in South Africa aren't sensational either, Ponting averages 46 and only toured in 2000s for example, and at that point we are just rigging the system in favour of the modern Cricketers, I prefer if South Africa is left out.
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McGrath is next level on the WI pitches with his cutters and Ponting always scored well there.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Johan said:
Marshall the better bowler, and he'd bat well enough to minimise the 5 run average gap between Lloyd and Ponting.

Lloyd makes 43 runs per inning
Ponting makes 48 runs per inning
Marshall makes 17 runs per inning
McGrath is a proper #11

think between these two I'd go Marshall/Lloyd, just.
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I didn't really consider the batting difference between the two bowlers when I voted, it does make it a lot closer than what I thought at first.
 
kyear2

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
ataraxia said:
Not a very good reason why imo
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You can literally read what I said a page ago.

Punter is better. I trust Lloyd more places.

I think he was tested more against high quality pace and was definitely better vs spin.

As great as Punter was in the slips and the outfield, Lloyd was just better here.

I also trust Marshall in more conditions and scenarios than Pigeon.

Not to the levels of course, but Lloyd is one of those Martin Crowe, Victor Trumper, Graham Gooch types, where arguably if not indisputably that their impact dwarfs their numbers.
 
ataraxia

ataraxia

International Coach
kyear2 said:
You can literally read what I said a page ago.

Punter is better. I trust Lloyd more places.

I think he was tested more against high quality pace and was definitely better vs spin.

As great as Punter was in the slips and the outfield, Lloyd was just better here.

I also trust Marshall in more conditions and scenarios than Pigeon.

Not to the levels of course, but Lloyd is one of those Martin Crowe, Victor Trumper, Graham Gooch types, where arguably if not indisputably that their impact dwarfs their numbers.
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Okay I glossed over your post on that since as a rationale it seems pretty damn mutually incompatible with thinking
kyear2 said:
Punter still is better than Lloyd by a greater margin than Marshall is over Pigeon
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Sliferxxxx

Sliferxxxx

State Vice-Captain
A better comparison would be Viv/Marshall vs McGrath/Ponting. Lloyd is more in the class with a S Waugh, even if he may be slightly inferior to Waugh. Another good comparison, imo is Lara/Ambrose vs McGrath/Ponting.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Sliferxxxx said:
A better comparison would be Viv/Marshall vs McGrath/Ponting. Lloyd is more in the class with a S Waugh, even if he may be slightly inferior to Waugh. Another good comparison, imo is Lara/Ambrose vs McGrath/Ponting.
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It won't. Even if someone rates McGrath ahead of Marshall as a bowler and don't rate Maco's batting at all, Viv's batting gap to Ponting is very significantly bigger.
 
Thala_0710

Thala_0710

International Regular
Johan said:
Marshall the better bowler, and he'd bat well enough to minimise the 5 run average gap between Lloyd and Ponting.

Lloyd makes 43 runs per inning
Ponting makes 48 runs per inning
Marshall makes 17 runs per inning
McGrath is a proper #11

think between these two I'd go Marshall/Lloyd, just.
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Ok let me ask you then, not the exact same situation but similar I'd say, so you'd take Kohli and Cummins over Root and Anderson too?

Root makes 46.6 runs per innings
Kohli makes 43.9 runs per innings
Cummins makes 15 runs per innings
Anderson is a proper #11
 
Johan

Johan

International Coach
Thala_0710 said:
Ok let me ask you then, not the exact same situation but similar I'd say, so you'd take Kohli and Cummins over Root and Anderson too?

Root makes 46.6 runs per innings
Kohli makes 43.9 runs per innings
Cummins makes 15 runs per innings
Anderson is a proper #11
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most probably, Yeah, though in this case I'm not sure which bowler is better in primary skillset, Nor do I think there's any condition where Kohli would massively outperform Root like Lloyd would massively outperform Ponting in Asia, not really the same thing.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Johan said:
most probably, Yeah, though in this case I'm not sure which bowler is better in primary skillset, Nor do I think there's any condition where Kohli would massively outperform Root like Lloyd would massively outperform Ponting in Asia, not really the same thing.
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SA, arguably Australia
 
Thala_0710

Thala_0710

International Regular
Johan said:
most probably, Yeah, though in this case I'm not sure which bowler is better in primary skillset, Nor do I think there's any condition where Kohli would massively outperform Root like Lloyd would massively outperform Ponting in Asia, not really the same thing.
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Kohli does massively outperform Root in Australia, outperforms him in SA too a bit
 
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