Lloyd/Marshall vs Ponting/McGrath

[Thala_0710]

2 ATG combinations of players. Who's the better duo?

 

[DrWolverine]

The gap between Ponting & Lloyd is significantly bigger than the gap between Marshall & McGrath.

 

[Johan]

Marshall the better bowler, and he'd bat well enough to minimise the 5 run average gap between Lloyd and Ponting.

Lloyd makes 43 runs per inning
Ponting makes 48 runs per inning
Marshall makes 17 runs per inning
McGrath is a proper #11

think between these two I'd go Marshall/Lloyd, just.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

The pair that has 2 ATGs

 

[subshakerz]

The gap between Ponting & Lloyd is significantly bigger than the gap between Marshall & McGrath.

Marshalls batting narrows the batting gap.

 

[kyear2]

This one should be straight forward, it kinda isn't though.

 

[Thala_0710]

This one should be straight forward, it kinda isn't though.

Which side you leaning towards?

 

[kyear2]

Which side you leaning towards?

Punter is easily better than Lloyd, and of the fraud 4, I easily rate him the highest.

But Lloyd faced better bowlers in tougher conditions, especially the fast ones, and was definitely better was spin.

Ponting was also an AT slip and great fielder, Lloyd however was even better.

Punter still is better than Lloyd by a greater margin than Marshall is over Pigeon...

 

[Johan]

This is a weird case, I cannot really see Marshall being outperformed by McGrath anywhere but I can see Ponting being outperformed or matched by Lloyd in quite a few countries.

 

[Arachnödouche2.0]

Prime Ponting would have been magnificent to watch against the Windians. No hook let through.

 

[kyear2]

This is a weird case, I cannot really see Marshall being outperformed by McGrath anywhere but I can see Ponting being outperformed or matched by Lloyd in quite a few countries.

Like exactly that.

Those 2000's guys get their flowers, but are really hard to rate and weren't exactly tested in the same way as players from different eras.

 

[subshakerz]

This is a weird case, I cannot really see Marshall being outperformed by McGrath anywhere but I can see Ponting being outperformed or matched by Lloyd in quite a few countries.

Lloyd is a better captain than Ponting that can be a tiebreaker.

 

[Thala_0710]

Lloyd is a better captain than Ponting that can be a tiebreaker.

But it isn't a tie

 

[Johan]

It can be a tie for the Individual poster.

 

[subshakerz]

It can be a tie for the Individual poster.

Yeah it's close.

 

[Thala_0710]

The gap between Ponting and Lloyd is clearly bigger than Marshall and McGrath. I don't get how a no 8/9's batting makes up for it.

 

[subshakerz]

The gap between Ponting and Lloyd is clearly bigger than Marshall and McGrath. I don't get how a no 8/9's batting makes up for it.

Clearly bigger but not that much bigger.

 

[Johan]

The batting output difference between Marshall (17) and McGrath (5) would be larger than the batting output gap between Ponting (48) and Lloyd (43) over the course of their entire career, and it's not like Ponting would be an unequivocally superior batsman to Lloyd accross every scenario. The gap would really mostly manifest fully on good wickets, where even Marshall would be able to consistently give you runs. Under my system, I think Ponting/McGrath would dominate in Oceania while Lloyd/Marshall will win England, all of Asia and the classical West Indies, South Africa is hard to tell as it would be entirely based on speculation.

 

[subshakerz]

The batting output difference between Marshall (17) and McGrath (5) would be larger than the batting output gap between Ponting (48) and Lloyd (43) over the course of their entire career, and it's not like Ponting would be an unequivocally superior batsman to Lloyd accross every scenario. The gap would really mostly manifest fully on good wickets, where even Marshall would be able to consistently give you runs. Under my system, I think Ponting/McGrath would dominate in Oceania while Lloyd/Marshall will win England, all of Asia and the classical West Indies, South Africa is hard to tell as it would be entirely based on speculation.

Why exactly are Lloyd and Marshall winning in WI? Even England is very close. SA you would also given Ponting McGrath an edge based on proven success.

 

[Johan]

Why exactly are Lloyd and Marshall winning in WI? Even England is very close. SA you would also given Ponting McGrath an edge based on proven success.

England is certainly very close. As I said classic West Indies, that means 2 of the 5 main used wickets are slow and for spinners where I think Lloyd and Marshall are just more at home, leaving us with Sabina Park and Kensigton Oval and I think those can go either way.

South Africa, as the Windies duo never got a chance, I don't think I can give a point for, as Ponting/McGrath in South Africa aren't sensational either, Ponting averages 46 and only toured in 2000s for example, and at that point we are just rigging the system in favour of the modern Cricketers, I prefer if South Africa is left out.