Kapil, Vaas, or Streak? (Best bowler)

[Ymaxxx]

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This doesn't make any sense. I was pointing out Kapils career didn't overlap with the spin quartet at all. Which is true.

oh okay i thought you said he had spin quartet which i believed was true. eitherway my point was forumers not giving Heath the same treatment as Kapil of being the lone bowler.

and i could have sworn DIlip Joshi and Binny were pretty good support no?

edit: Dilip joshi is acc kinda underrated upon seeing his stats (apparently gavaskar didnt like him and dropped him forever, blame can come on gavaskar for india's struggle in his time right here)

 

[sledger]

Absolutely has to be Vaas.

 

[Gob]

I thought Kapil was way ahead

 

[Ymaxxx]

I thought Kapil was way ahead

kapil has been almost averaging 29-30 since his debut to end. No peak outlier causes credentials to just slot him ahead without questions asked vs streak and vaas

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Kapil: 434 wickets @ 29.64 from 131 tests.
WPM 3.3, SR 63.90, 23 5 wicket bags, 2 10 wicket bags
Had the test wicket taking record at one stage.

Vaas: 355 wickets @29.58 from 111 tests.
WPM 3.2, SR 66, 12 5 wicket bags, 2 10 wicket bags
Offered left arm variety at a time (Wasim excepted) when they weren't as common as today.

Streak: 216 wickets @28.14 from 65 tests.
WPM 3.3, SR 62.70, 7 5 wicket bags, 0 10 wicket bags
Was the fastest of the three but had the smallest sample size.

 

[mr_mister]

I thought Kapil was way ahead

well his batting is

 

[Migara]

Kapil Dev easily. He could bowl well every where. Vaas was hot and cold when touring, generally poor in SENA countries (he has a few stellar performances) and in India. He was a bowler who honed his skills to bowl on dust bowls. Streak was no where as skillful as Vaas or penetrative as Kapil.

 

[Migara]

I love how individually the 'spin quartet' is hyped asf, then when it comes to discussing kapil, all of a sudden 'nah bro kapil had no one boohoo"

The comedy is these fanboys crying about Kapil having no one at aid, when HEATH STREAK literally played for Zimbabwe and yet banged those incredible stats. Just look at the amount of wickets Heath has in his career compared to all zimbabwe bowlers combined. You'll realise how underrated heath is

At least Streak had some damp climate to swing it away from batsmen in half of his matches. Vaas and Kapil had no such luxury.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Kapil Dev easily. He could bowl well every where.

Not true. Great in the Windies (big tick) and Australia, but averaged 42 in NZ, 40 in Pakistan, 39 in England, 37 in South Africa, and 33 in Sri Lanka who were minnows at the time.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

At least Streak had some damp climate to swing it away from batsmen in half of his matches. Vaas and Kapil had no such luxury.

Zimbabwe is incredibly dry with dead pitches. Sri Lanka is better for swing bowlers than Zimbabwe.

 

[Migara]

Not true. Great in the Windies (big tick) and Australia, but averaged 42 in NZ, 40 in Pakistan, 39 in England, 37 in South Africa, and 33 in Sri Lanka who were minnows at the time.

Pakistan we could forget because India never played enough matches. He played at the fag end of his career against SAF. Sri Lanka were pretty good against fast medium swing bowling. It was pace and bounce that troubled us in the past with exception of Aravinda de Silva. NZ / ENG is frank poor given the helping conditions offered. Ok, so Kapil bowled well in many conditions. His frank poor performances were only in two countries Vaas had poor figures in ENG, SAF AUS, BAN and IND. None of them could be attributed to end / beginning of the career.

Edit: He has played 15 tests in PAK. So we can count it as poor performance.

 

[Migara]

Zimbabwe is incredibly dry with dead pitches. Sri Lanka is better for swing bowlers than Zimbabwe.

I can rememeber Vaas and Pushpakumara boomeranging it in Zimbabawe.

 

[honestbharani]

Not true. Great in the Windies (big tick) and Australia, but averaged 42 in NZ, 40 in Pakistan, 39 in England, 37 in South Africa, and 33 in Sri Lanka who were minnows at the time.

What exactly is the sample size here? I know for sure it wont be many for South Africa.

 

[honestbharani]

Zimbabwe is incredibly dry with dead pitches. Sri Lanka is better for swing bowlers than Zimbabwe.

You mean the country where Blignaut has a fifer?

 

[Arachnodouche]

Kapil played plenty in Pak (15 games for 44 wkts at 40 a piece). 5 Test tours between the countries were a fixture in the late 70s-early 80s.

 

[honestbharani]

Kapil played plenty in Pak (15 games for 44 wkts at 40 a piece). 5 Test tours between the countries were a fixture in the late 70s-early 80s.

Yeah was it also not in pitches famously made for draws as neither side could afford the risk of losing to the other? I mean, he was still poor in Pak and Eng I guess overall but some of the context is obviously missing.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I can rememeber Vaas and Pushpakumara boomeranging it in Zimbabawe.

Maybe the Zim groundsmen are to blame. The pitches are dead whenever NZ tours

 

[Arachnodouche]

Yeah was it also not in pitches famously made for draws as neither side could afford the risk of losing to the other? I mean, he was still poor in Pak and Eng I guess overall but some of the context is obviously missing.

Yeah snorefests usually. Dead wickets, bad umpiring, both teams scared of forcing the issue.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Kapil Dev easily. He emerged in the 70's when world cricket was at its absolute peak. It's been downhill ever since. Anyone picking either of the other two is probably under 40 and unable to appreciate proper cricket and unable to cobble together a coherent sentence.

 

[Bahnz]

Chaminda Vaas was the same, but not quite as consistent as Streak. Kapil was good in an era where many were great. He lacked support, but so did Streak, and at least India can bowl good spin and usually sort of bat.

I'm giving this contest to Streak, though am open to changing my mind. He performed to the same level, probably slightly better, though all of these dudes are superb for being their nations first good 'un at pace bowling.

Streak wasn't actually that consistent, at least not over the span of his entire career. He had a career of 2 halves. Early Streak was a genuine world class bowler, he averaged 22.9 after his first 30 tests. Now admittedly, he wasn't playing against South Africa or Australia much at all, but they're excellent figures all the same .

Then something happened, I'm not sure if it was injury, or whether the deterioration of the political situation took its tool on his training practices and mental health. But either way, he averaged 35 over his last 35 tests. Still not terrible, but very mediocre. He did play 6 of those 35 tests v SA and Aus, but that shouldn't be sufficient to bump his average up by 12 runs, especially when you consider that he also played 6 tests against a very weak Bangladesh side. Does anyone know why Streak's numbers dropped off so drastically?