Johan
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Yeah, almost like their away average is so radically different because only one had the luxury of dodging their greatest challenge.Like then his and Jadeja's averages line-up quite well.
Yeah, almost like their away average is so radically different because only one had the luxury of dodging their greatest challenge.Like then his and Jadeja's averages line-up quite well.
Again you don't deny it. Great.the only point you should take away is my view of your analytic ineptitude
So we should like just not count them at all?? Yk that Jadeja debuted in late 2012 and wasn't a regular from the very beginning right?this is blatantly untrue, Botham functionally bowed off after 10 years and came back here and there to sell stadiums and barely even played at home, he played 81% of the away games he could until 1987 (43/53) while Jadeja's number since 2013 is close to 50% (36/70)
And the other diarrhead all over their pants spectacularly, yesYeah, almost like their away average is so radically different because only one had the luxury of dodging their greatest challenge.
count them to your overall stats if you want but pretending that's a valid metric for how often he was benched away from home is straight up silly.So we should like just not count them at all?? Yk that Jadeja debuted in late 2012 and wasn't a regular from the very beginning right?
even if he averages 25 in South Africa over 10 Tests (which would be decent) which he won't, that would already bring his away average down significantly, once again, his average away is so high because India doesn't think he is worth playing in what is by far their biggest challenge overseas, wasn't the same with Botham.And the other diarrhead all over their pants spectacularly, yes
If Botham's Wi away record doesn't counts since Jadeja never faced similar quality opposition, it's very valid that they played roughly a similar proportion of games Home and Away, yes. Actually the second point is significantly soundercount them to your overall stats if you want but pretending that's a valid metric for how often he was benched away from home is straight up silly.
These two points literally have zero correlation, Botham wasn't a regular Cricketer after 1986-87 Ashes and he was unquestionably first choice overseas until then.If Botham's Wi away record doesn't counts since Jadeja never faced similar quality opposition, it's very valid that they played roughly a similar proportion of games Home and Away, yes. Actually the second point is significantly sounder
So English selectors were right to bench Freddie?? Jadeja has a 5-fer there in 1 of his 2 games, Indian selectors mistreating Jadeja and Ashwin for trundy pacers is very well documented. And I honestly expect him to average around 27-28 atleast.even if he averages 25 in South Africa over 10 Tests (which would be decent) which he won't, that would already bring his away average down significantly, once again, his average away is so high because India doesn't think he is worth playing in what is by far their biggest challenge overseas, wasn't the same with Botham.
They definitely are. You said Botham's WI record doesn't count because Jadeja didn't face them, and then said Jadeja played more at Home than Botham when it's just not true.These two points literally have zero correlation, Botham wasn't a regular Cricketer after 1986-87 Ashes and he was unquestionably first choice overseas until then.
Freddie was not dropped for Cricketing Reasons and we both know that so that's just a false equivalency, regardless, England called him immediately for overseas tours against the big two and left him out of feasting on South Africa and the Asian sides. No way I think he can average 27-28 tbh, 20-25 at best, but the point stands, if Jadeja played in South Africa which can emulate the difficulty of Botham's West Indies tours, he won't average more than Botham overseas, if any at all.So English selectors were right to bench Freddie?? Jadeja has a 5-fer there in 1 of his 2 games, Indian selectors mistreating Jadeja and Ashwin for trundy pacers is very well documented. And I honestly expect him to average around 27-28 atleast.
what's blatantly untrue is saying they have a similar rate of overseas games, Botham played 43/53 until 1986-87 Ashes, it's like saying George Headley was dropped more often than Jadeja overseas because he missed the Post-War India/England/Australia tours even though his career extended till 1954 on a technicality.They definitely are. You said Botham's WI record doesn't count because Jadeja didn't face them, and then said Jadeja played more at Home than Botham when it's just not true.
Folks here don't understand the challenge and pressure of being top 6 batsman consistently. It comes with lot more challenge and pressure, bigger load.I agree mostly but for me the fact that Botham had to regularly take a middle order bat pressure throughout their careers sets him apart.
I don't think it's possible for a #6 or #7 to average more than 25 given the type of pitches South Africa have produced for India since circa 2018. Only guys to average 25+ for India are Kohli, Pant and Rahul, all being proper bats who are either great (Pant) or showed glimpses of greatness often.Wait a second why are we suddenly saying Jadeja would struggle to average 25 in South Africa? I wish we had him last time we toured there, Ashwin can’t bat #7.
Kohli averaged 40+ on the last tour, and he was washed up by that point. Jadeja has been a better bat than him since 2020 (see above).I don't think it's possible for a #6 or #7 to average more than 25 given the type of pitches South Africa have produced for India since circa 2018. Only guys to average 25+ for India are Kohli, Pant and Rahul, all being proper bats who are either great (Pant) or showed glimpses of greatness often.
Exactly, why would he do so much worse in SA than Aus for exampleKohli averaged 40+ on the last tour, and he was washed up by that point. Jadeja has been a better bat than him since 2020 (see above).
KL averaged 37 last time. There’s an argument for Jadeja as well, though KL has been shifted around the order and been in and out (best at opening and the opening tax that comes with it). I see no reason why with enough tests, say 8 or so, he couldn’t average 25+ or even 30ish if not higher. But being realistic, 25-30 is certainly doable given that’s his floor everywhere else.
Kohli was having a flash of brilliance there, he genuinely seemed exceptional there and some of his batting has been ridiculous in South Africa even from the standard of his very prime.Kohli averaged 40+ on the last tour, and he was washed up by that point. Jadeja has been a better bat than him since 2020 (see above).
KL averaged 37 last time. There’s an argument for Jadeja as well, though KL has been shifted around the order and been in and out (best at opening and the opening tax that comes with it). I see no reason why with enough tests, say 8 or so, he couldn’t average 25+ or even 30ish if not higher. But being realistic, 25-30 is certainly doable given that’s his floor everywhere else.
because South Africa has been substantially harder to bat in than Australia lol.Exactly, why would he do so much worse in SA than Aus for example