Joel Garner vs Dennis Lillee

[Coronis]

A low average is good but wickets per match is also important.

Here’s a fun stat (have to use innings specifically here, because bowling position may change over a match)

Holding opening: 171 @ 23.96, 2.28 WPI
Garner opening: 127 @ 20.22, 2.59 WPI

Holding not opening: 78 @ 23.07, 2.05 WPI
Garner not opening: 132 @ 21.69 2.13 WPI

Who should have really been opening the attack for the Windies?

 

[DrWolverine]

Btw you have just highlighted something important. This CW is too wedded to low averages as the main indication of bowler success than wickets and wicket taking rates.

 

[DrWolverine]

Strike rates
ATG fast bowlers with 200+ wickets

 

[Johan]

Trueman's SR is the craziest thing considering the norm was 65+

 

[Johan]

Barnes with 7 WPM

 

[Coronis]

Trueman's SR is the craziest thing considering the norm was 65+

Unless he was playing in Australia or Windies.

 

[Johan]

Unless he was playing in Australia or Windies.

won a series in West Indies in 1960 by ripping through their top order iirc

 

[Coronis]

won a series in West Indies in 1960 by ripping through their top order iirc

Strike rate of 63

 

[PlayerComparisons]

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Perhaps I underrate Lillee a bit. A WPM of over 5 is insane.

 

[Johan]

Strike rate of 63

hmmm, who topped strike rates that series?

 

[subshakerz]

Unless he was playing in Australia or Windies.

Yeah I pointed this out. His SR was just a home phenomenon.

 

[subshakerz]

Perhaps I underrate Lillee a bit. A WPM of over 5 is insane.

yup best WPM of any over 300.

 

[Coronis]

hmmm, who topped strike rates that series?

Geoff Pullar

 

[Johan]

Geoff Pullar

way to dodge the point.

 

[Johan]

Yeah I pointed this out. His SR was just a home phenomenon.

you don't want me ripping into home phenomenons of Imran's career lad, duck your head and sit quiet.

 

[subshakerz]

way to dodge the point.

Wes Hall had around the same SR that series.

 

[Johan]

Wes Hall had around the same SR that series.

all other bowls were in the 70s too Yeah, so Peak Wes Hall had an inferior SR to Trueman on his home turf, noted.

 

[subshakerz]

you don't want me ripping into home phenomenons of Imran's career lad, duck your head and sit quiet.

You're turning into Kyear haha

 

[Johan]

You're turning into Kyear haha

I'm tired of you trying to chuck stones from a glass house tbh

 

[subshakerz]

all other bowls were in the 70s too Yeah, so Peak Wes Hall had an inferior SR to Trueman on his home turf, noted.

I mean ok but your point was that Trueman was exceptional. He was more or less matched by Wes Hall that series and exceeded by Alan Davidson in the other series in Aus.