morgieb
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Wow Australia's batting average stands out. The only country that has an average within 6 runs is Zimbabwe.
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Joe Root v Virat Kohli
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So despite India's "interminable" home schedule, England have actually played more home games over this period, and still managed to tour WI, UAE, Bangladesh/India and SA. They really do play a lot of Test cricket.
GotSpin
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The pitches here are just rubbish atm.
Victor Ian
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Yeah, but Smith has played in ALL of those games.
oblongballs
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India = more batting friendly with foreign teams suffering against the spin....although India also suffered and they havent made a pitch like that since. Let's be serious here, KOhli is a terrific batsman but he has feasted on mediocre bowling on rubbish tracks. That doesnt mean he is bad, but he has also avoided tets cricket against the likes of Ajmal, Aasif, Amir, Shah and the best bowlers Asia have had.
Root has played in tougher conditions but hasnt produced the same stylish innings at the same rate Kohli does. Plus he isnt as good an ODI batsman.
Root has played in tougher conditions but hasnt produced the same stylish innings at the same rate Kohli does. Plus he isnt as good an ODI batsman.
Motorwada
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Rubbish argument. He has done extremely well against Herath, Shakib et al who have been murdering teams in Asian conditions. And that's as far as spinners go. As far as pacers Asif 'retired' before Kohli's debut and Amir is hardly the same bowler in tests. If Kohli can handle Broad/Anderson on Asian tracks he can handle Amir.
The mediocre bowling on rubbish tracks looks 'mediocre' because the Indian batsmen are so good. This same SL team whitewashed Pak in their 'fortress' and whitewashed Aus at home. Bangladesh drew against Eng/Oz at home. But this same Indian team is htting 600+ against these teams. And if these tracks are so rubbish how come the Indian bowlers (seam/spin - Shami and Bhuvi both average mid 20s in India) manage to get teams out for ~200 on the same pitches where they hit 600.
People are underestimating how good this Indian team is in these conditions. Any other team wouldn't be able to perform as dominantly as India has against SL inside Asia (would probably lose as well with Herath running through them like he did with Pak, Oz etc).
_00_deathscar
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Nah I'm not having that. Give credit where it's due.
India have always been 'tigers at home' with the caveat about abroad, but this recent team is taking it to a whole new level at home. They aren't just winning series, they are absolutely pummeling these other teams that no Indian team before has matched. Part of that is the aggressive batting, but also that they now have a bowling attack capable of taking 20 wickets very regularly, which hasn't always been the case, even at home.
India have always been 'tigers at home' with the caveat about abroad, but this recent team is taking it to a whole new level at home. They aren't just winning series, they are absolutely pummeling these other teams that no Indian team before has matched. Part of that is the aggressive batting, but also that they now have a bowling attack capable of taking 20 wickets very regularly, which hasn't always been the case, even at home.
Other teams are allowed to use spinners too. It's not Kohli's fault teams like England rock up with 3 "bits and pieces" spinners and leave their leading CC1 wicket takers at home.
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Scoreboard pressure in the first innings of a match?
I don't disagree with your point that it's played a part pretty often, but there have been quite a few games where India scores heavily after bundling out the opposition for nothing.
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Motorwada
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2nd Test, Sri Lanka tour of India at Nagpur, Nov 24-27 2017 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo - SL batted first for ~200 odd. India made 600 something in reply.
1st Test, New Zealand tour of India at Kanpur, Sep 22-26 2016 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo - NZ 262 in first innings in reply to an OKish ~300 total. Ind then made 377/5 dec.
3rd Test, England tour of India at Chandigarh, Nov 26-29 2016 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo - Eng batted first for 283. India made 400 something in reply.
There was no scoreboard pressure yet India managed to get teams out for ~200 odd and then plundered runs.
Motorwada
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Also India have negated Herath/Shakib pretty well who was deadly against all other teams. Not to mention Indian pacers have also bowled well on these wickets against teams that are supposedly better against pace on pitches that don't support pace. In the Australia series Umesh was the best pacer over Cummins, Hazlewood, Starc etc, in the England and NZ series Shami over Boult, Anderson, Broad etc. So some of the pitches have purchase for pacers.
Spark
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Yeah that's fair. Just saying that it's not particularly remarkable to see that.
cnerd123
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I've definitely seen sides who bat first be super anxious of all the runs they think their opposition is going to score in the second innings.
More of a factor in ODIs tho - like sides going too hard for a 350ish score in certain conditions because they fear the Kohli factor and getting bowled for 200 as a result.
_00_deathscar
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As far as ODIs go, 'the Kohli factor' is a great moniker and should be used more often.
