Johan
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Kapil is not "just below" Walsh in bowling
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Jasprit Bumrah vs Rahul Dravid vs Kapil Dev
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subshakerz
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How have you been BazB?
subshakerz
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Nor is Walsh an ATG.
Johan
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I don't care about that
kyear2
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Top 40 cricketers of All Time
Tier 1
Bradman / Sobers / Marshall / Hobbs / Warne / McGrath / Hadlee / Tendulkar / Richards
Tier 2
Imran / Steyn / Muralitharan / Smith / Lara / Hammond / Kallis / Hutton / Ambrose / Gilchrist / Richards / Gavaskar / O'Reilly / Lillee / Headley / Wasim
Tier 3
Chappell / Donald / Border / Ponting / Sangakkara / Lindwall / Miller / Knott / Holding / Pollock / Waugh / Procter / Pollock / Dravid / Davidson
Tier 4 (borderline)
Trueman / Garner / Sutcliffe / Weekes / Root / Bumrah* / Younis / Barrington
Cummins / Botham / Walcott
Borderline / Outside (not in order)
Younis / Worrell / Compton / Miandad / Greenidge / Harvey / Smith / Rabada / Roberts / Anderson / Boycott / Walsh / Tayfield / Gibbs
Dev / Lloyd / Simpson / Taylor
Thrown together quickly. Sure I forgot names and after a point the positions become almost meaningless.
Most importantly, the lower you go, the more the lines become blurred between what is an ATG.
kyear2
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kyear2
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That's why I reference outside of India, where he averaged 32 with the ball.
Or was outside not bowler friendly either?
At some point you have to just stop.
You can't blame playing in India for averaging 32 outside of India where you had bowlers averaging low 20's.
capt_Luffy
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Dude ****ing averages 25 in WI and Australia. Do you think Gibbs was above average as well??
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
How people categorize can be very different.
But the fact remains, and despite the terms used, he wasn't an ATG, he wasn't great and considering the era, world class over the duration of his career isn't a given.
Think it was Coronis who displayed a graph where his bowling average literally fell on the mean for the era.
Just, consideration is given to playing in India, but again, outside of India he averaged even more. I was looking through his numbers for a peak, and there isn't a a sustained period where his average isn't basically what his career average is.
And again, this is the 80's.
And you're free to believe what the **** ever you want, because literally everything you post is ringed with an agenda and it pathetic af.
OverratedSanity
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Viv Richards was a pretty good batsman imo
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Warne a tier above Imran lol
kyear2
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Ummmmm
Marshall / McGrath
Hadlee / Ambrose / Steyn / Warne / Muralitharan
Donald / Lillee / Wasim / Holding / Imran / O'Reilly
Lindwall / Bumrah / Trueman / Garner / Pollock / Davidson / Cummins / (Barnes)
Younis / Walsh / Rabada / Anderson / Roberts / Miller / Statham / Willis
And that's just the pacers in that tier, so it's still the spinners, then the other bowlers in subsequent tiers like Hall, Philander, Snow etc before I get to Kapil, it's considerably more than two tiers.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
I don't get this either.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
No he's not.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
Yes for Knott.
He's easily an ATG, one of only 2 legitimate candidates for the greatest keeper batsman of all time? Most definitely.
Re Tendulkar and the first tier. Bradman, my legitimate candidates for BAB, and my two GOAT bowling candidates. Hadlee is close enough to the GOAT debate (if not in it for some) that his batting does make a difference, and Warne is a top 5 lock outside of CW, my top spinner and right there with Hadlee.
Trueman can easily go up, but not brining Pollock down.
Player ranking is fraught with danger, comparing batsmen with bowlers, with all rounders.
I personally prefer the straight up ranking re disciplines, but the overall thing is inevitable.
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kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
What is your definition of an ATG?
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
So like, Sobers is legit closer to Don than Imran huh.....
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
a player excellent regardless of conditions with great performances and consistency over a large sample size, one who gets generally rated among the best and could be argued to be the best of their era, or atleast could be argued they'd be best had they played in a different era.