James Anderson vs Glenn McGrath - Similarities and differences

[Slifer]

It's important to note that Anderson hasn't played Bangladesh or Zimbabwe away. He's played them twice at home. His figures aren't stat padded. (Nor are McGrath's).

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[turnstyle]

Similarities: both bowled a lot in the nets.

Differences: Anderson's best bowling was done there.

 

[Adders]

There was very little difference to McGrath's wicket taking prowess between home and away. He was the same threat in South Africa that he was in India or West Indies. Anderson falls way behind McGrath simply because he is just not the same Anderson when he goes outside of England. This isn't to say he is a bad bowler or Clouderson. He is still extremely skillful to be a potent bowler, but he is not going to bowl in South Africa or India the way he bowls in England. And yes one good series in India (2012) and Australia (2010) does not change this. And this is where the whole ATG status comes in and why there's really no such thing as ATVG.

If you look at an ATG bowler's record like McGrath's you will find his entire career filled with performances like Anderson's India 2012 or Australia 2010. Anderson belongs in a tier or two below where he will have a handful of great away performances over the course of his career, which still places him comfortably ahead of most of his current peers, but considerably behind the ATGs.

I don't get this at all?? ATVG is a decent description for Jimmy.....we get he's not ATG, but he's the next level down which is what ATVG is supposed to represent?

How the **** did ATVG get so ****ed up? Borges.....GTFO

 

[trundler]

Some say Gillespie and Johnson are ATVGs, some say Benaud and Walsh are. Hardly seems to be any consensus there.

Agree with you though. He's not far off behind say, Walsh and S Pollock tier.

 

[Agricultural]

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The thread is about Anderson and McGrath. It is a point to note that they both could have better returns if they played against minnows more.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I don't get this at all?? ATVG is a decent description for Jimmy.....we get he's not ATG, but he's the next level down which is what ATVG is supposed to represent?

How the **** did ATVG get so ****ed up? Borges.....GTFO

That whole post basically described Anderson perfectly as an ATVG and then in the same post he says ATVGs don't exist. Wut

 

[Black_Warrior]

Because for me All Time is something associated with greatness. If you're Very Good, you're just that. you're not All Time. Simple

ATVG is actually quite idiotic. Why not AT Mediocre and AT Average as well?

 

[trundler]

Peak CW right here folks.

Maybe let's just say players like him and Cook are silver tier groups. You have Walsh and Gooch on gold and then Hutton and McGrath on platinum.

Bradman is rhodium.

 

[Black_Warrior]

All Time Great - 1 Tier
Great - 2 tiers
Good
Average

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Because for me All Time is something associated with greatness. If you're Very Good, you're just that. you're not All Time. Simple

ATVG is actually quite idiotic. Why not AT Mediocre and AT Average as well?

Or in Keaton Jennings case All Time Very Bad

 

[Borges]

ATVG is actually quite idiotic.

No. Nooooo. Not idiotic, For instance, this is pregnant with meaning: "Ishant Sharma used to be ATVG, before he became good."

Why not AT Mediocre and AT Average as well?

This is the accepted CricketWeb usage (as trundler, who is the inventor of this whimsical terminology, as well as the resident authority on these things, will testify):
ATVG == AT Mediocre (approximately).
GOMP == AT Average (again, approximately)

 

[trundler]

stephen invented it apparently. Why are you obsessed with me mate

 

[trundler]

ATG seems to be pretty standard terminology. I've heard it in commentary on matches back from the 70s and 80s. Players like Greg Chapell, Sobers, Gavaskar etc have been referred to as such in their playing days by commentators. The cricketing community at large seems to be agree on it mostly.

ATVG is something someone here made up for an excellent player that isn't quite elite. It isn't that hard to grasp, jeez.

 

[Borges]

stephen invented it apparently. Why are you obsessed with me mate

I see. I was mistaken; deluded into believing that you were the inventor, based on your extraordinary alacrity in placing each and every player into the appropriate pigeon hole.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Borges is one weird bloke. I can barely understand any post he makes.

 

[trundler]

"Cricket fans compare and argue over cricket players on a nerdy forum dedicated to cricket"

Shocking.

 

[Starfighter]

"Cricket fans compare and argue over cricket players on a nerdy forum dedicated to cricket"

Shocking.

People talk about cricket here? You could've fooled me.

 

[harsh.ag]

ATVG poster, Borges.

 

[trundler]

ATVG poster, Borges.

If that equates to rarely any good as defined by the man himself I agree

 

[vicleggie]

One's s**t one's good.

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