Jacques Kallis vs Imran Khan

[subshakerz]

Australia wasn't cheating during the 1980s.

At least, I hope not - because if we were cheating and were still that bad, that's just embarrassing.

You had the Stackpole incident but that was the 70s

 

[Johan]

Australia wasn't cheating during the 1980s.

At least, I hope not - because if we were cheating and were still that bad, that's just embarrassing.

Wait

You're Australian?

 

[The Sean]

Wait

You're Australian?

Yeah, though have been living in England for a long time.

 

[Johan]

Yeah

 

[Coronis]

Wait

You're Australian?

Have you not seen his overwhelming Australian bias

 

[Johan]

Have you not seen his overwhelming Australian bias

He had a good sense of humour so I had assumed he was not a convict. Lesson leant.

 

[Coronis]

He had a good sense of humour so I had assumed he was not a convict. Lesson leant.

Seems counterintuitive. You’d have to have a good sense of humour to survive as a convict, surely.

 

[The Sean]

I like how my sense of humour is now described in the past tense.

 

[subshakerz]

I like how my sense of humour is now described in the past tense.

You're a terrific poster don't take their knocks seriously.

 

[smash84]

You're a terrific poster don't take their knocks seriously.

What gave you the impression that he's taking it seriously?

 

[kyear2]

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Pakistan got what they deserved for cheating for ages upto that point, couldn't have happened to a more deserving team of that. You don't get to be cheats and then get treated fairly everywhere else. What goes around, comes around.

They basically cheated for a decade before things for turned around, it was laughably ridiculous and even some of their own players thought it was to their detriment.

 

[kyear2]

It's to point out how much more valuable Imran's bowling is in general, and that this idea of Kallis's workload being cut down was some sort of point in his favour is just bunk. And Imran as a bowler is easily levels above Kallis as a batter. If they were just limited to primary skills, Imran's the better player 10/10 times and pretending otherwise is to be an idiot.

No one has even suggested Kallis was a better batsman than Imran was a bowler, like ever.

 

[kyear2]

Yeah, but their umpires were biased against every team through the 70s and the early 80s, eventually it catches up.

The fact that some continuously bring up two disputed decisions in one match, but make excuses for the preceding decade, really calls for some massive balls and a serious lack of self awareness.

 

[Xix2565]

No one has even suggested Kallis was a better batsman than Imran was a bowler, like ever.

Did you not understand what I was replying to? It wasn't towards you specifically, it was an extension of my points.

 

[subshakerz]

The fact that some continuously bring up two disputed decisions in one match, but make excuses for the preceding decade, really calls for some massive balls and a serious lack of self awareness.

You didn't follow the conversation.

 

[kyear2]

Duh, with neutral umpires.

WI did the worst cheating ever possible. The only other comparable stinker is Emerson calling a leg break from Murali.

Are you actually insane?

The worst cheating possible? Do you know Javed played for, what was it, 9 years at home without being given lbw once?

That Pakistani players said that between the ball tampering and the home umpires it made it harder for them to adjust when playing overseas?

But two decisions in one match is the worst cheating ever?

It wasn't institutionalized, it wasn't some grand plan, Marshall was soon given out LBW, and there was a dropped catch and plenty of opportunities.

Not making excuses for, but you're making it out to be that nothing was given against us and it was part of a some massive conspiracy, it was nothing of the sort. We've never won that way.

So no Sir, it wasn't.

 

[kyear2]

BS. Imran especially requested neutral umpires for their home series that was drawn. Dirty little cheaters didn't want to reciprocate that. They were clearly affected by Imran's aura.

 

[kyear2]

They also got one of the worst treatments ever from the umpires in 79-80 series against New Zealand, where Holding famously kicked over the stumps.

Pre neutral umpires era was really the wild west.

The worst part of that NZ series was in an interview about it Hadlee was like, oh well, but they don't have to respond like that.

That was outright, blatant, one way traffic, cheating. With bat and ball for the series.

 

[kyear2]

Imran can't whine about others cheating when he developed a culture of cheating tbh

Like how is this hard to understand.

Developed and taught, let's not forget taught.

 

[kyear2]

just for pushing neutral umpires with the motivation of not having your wins completely written off to the umpires is not going to erase a decade and more of blatant cheating at home, the fact Imran felt the need to have neutral umpires for his win to be celebrated/acknowledged shows how big of a problem umpiring before that series really was, and if @Sliferxxxx was right, it was after they were up 1-0 anyway.

Exactly this.

It wasn't some charitable exercise, Subz himself once phrased it that exact way. It was to lend legitimacy to their home wins and records, because no-one recognized either.

From what I understand, there was also discussions of not touring if they didn't sort their **** out.

But two decisions in one match isn't cheating. Not the organized crap that was happening at the time and accepted by other teams, and quite frankly the false equivalency is more than a little disingenuous and disgusting.