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Jacques Kallis vs Graeme Pollock vs Barry Richards

Who is the best test batsman?

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Cricket Bliss

Cricket Bliss

U19 Captain
subshakerz said:
Nah. If Kallis was that great, he would have been hailed as such in his career. You can't hide an ATG, whereas Pollock was pretty much instantly recognized as best of the best level.
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Pollock never got such a recognition, although he deserved. Even Kallis got more recognition than Pollock just because as you said you can't hide an ATG.
also there is no average batsmen with an ATG statistics. So the records speaks here.
And by the way one of Kallis's peer Kevin Pieterson pluaded Kallis as the greatest batsmen in his opinion. Not supporting his opinion 100%, but defininitely a peer review is a peer review.

We've made progress but there is still a lot to be done. We need guys like you on our side actually. Please reconsider your Kallis love. He's not worth it.
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subshakerz

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Cricket Bliss said:
Pollock never got such a recognition, although he deserved. Even Kallis got more recognition than Pollock just because as you said you can't hide an ATG.
also there is no average batsmen with an ATG statistics. So the records speaks here.
And by the way one of Kallis's peer Kevin Pieterson pluaded Kallis as the greatest batsmen in his opinion. Not supporting his opinion 100%, but defininitely a peer review is a peer review.
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KP was part of this circus of guys at the end of Kallis' career calling Kallis the greatest cricketer ever once he took over 250 wickets. You can find the same opinion from some of the current Aussie cricketers.

Again, during Kallis career, especially in the 2000s before his numbers stacked up, he was rated that way as a bat because he wasn't seen as that level of threat.

To clarify, I see Kallis as a great bat, just not an ATG.
 
Cricket Bliss

Cricket Bliss

U19 Captain
BazBall21 said:
Amla slightly underrated in tests and slightly overrated in ODI
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Don't think Amla was overrated in ODI, Even when Kohli was being compared with Tendulkar and at times with Richards, as the best in ODI's ever, Amla was more consistent than Kohli and his career progression looked better than Kohli ( Although Kohli played more impressive innings). But apart from the mentioning of Amla scoring the fastest to 3000, 4000, 5000 ODI runs he was never compared with the Fab Four or with any previous great or anyone. But in the end he proved no match for Kohli, but when it looked though, hadn't got that level of recognition.

It was not like when Paul Valthatty or Prithvi Shaw was being compared with Sachin Tendulkar or Ian Criag being compared with Bradman as when it looked though.
 
Cricket Bliss

Cricket Bliss

U19 Captain
subshakerz said:
KP was part of this circus of guys at the end of Kallis' career calling Kallis the greatest cricketer ever once he took over 250 wickets. You can find the same opinion from some of the current Aussie cricketers.

Again, during Kallis career, especially in the 2000s before his numbers stacked up, he was rated that way as a bat because he wasn't seen as that level of threat.

To clarify, I see Kallis as a great bat, just not an ATG.
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Peer Review means Peer Review, there is no other justification there.

Many Cricketers like Ian Craig, Unmukth Chand, Paul Valthatty, Prithvi Shaw were considered to be the next Bradman (Criag) or Tendulkar (latter 3) during the start of their career as their batting career was seen as such a threat.
It's not about how they rate a player at he beginning or on the worst part of their career, it's about what you achieved in the end
 
subshakerz

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Cricket Bliss said:
Peer Review means Peer Review, there is no other justification there.

Many Cricketers like Ian Craig, Unmukth Chand, Paul Valthatty, Prithvi Shaw were considered to be the next Bradman (Criag) or Tendulkar (latter 3) during the start of their career as their batting career was seen as such a threat.
It's not about how they rate a player at he beginning or on the worst part of their career, it's about what you achieved in the end
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No. Kallis in the 2000s was already in his prime yet was pretty much ignored in such ratings.

End career is precisely the same reason guys like you rate, you are swayed by raw decontextualised numbers without a care for how he played and just label him an ATG. And most these guys rate him as an allrounder not as a bat alone.
 
Cricket Bliss

Cricket Bliss

U19 Captain
subshakerz said:
No. Kallis in the 2000s was already in his prime yet was pretty much ignored in such ratings.

End career is precisely the same reason guys like you rate, you are swayed by raw decontextualised numbers without a care for how he played and just label him an ATG. And most these guys rate him as an allrounder not as a bat alone.
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And there are people like you who have extreme bias or hatred towards a particular player and despite mentioning how they played, still not giving anything and repeating the same fact over and over again.

End career is precisely the same reason guys like you rate, you are swayed by raw decontextualised numbers without a care for how he played and just label him an ATG.
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Averaging 58 in India and 83 in Pakisthan proves how great he was a batsmen, for which you couldn't even give a proper reply. You are swayed by hatred towards him.
Kallis certainly qualifies among the best or ATG batsmen South Africa ever produced and their greatest ever Cricketer.
 
Coronis

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
ankitj said:
Not as a batsman? You can't seriously believed that.
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From his pov you have to be in contention for a slot in the first ATG World XI to be an ATG. I can understand him not being considered an ATG batsman based on those criteria.
 
BazBall21

BazBall21

International Captain
Didn't realise Pollock had come back so strongly. For the best though. When you write out the South African AT11, you don't think of Kallis as the premier batsman.
 
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