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Jack Hobbs vs Viv Richards

Viv Richards vs Jack Hobbs


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sayon basak

Cricketer Of The Year
Didn't realize this existed.
Now I've started to think whether we are worse than Pakpassion or not.

@capt_Luffy are we still the "elite" now?
 

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
What's the point? That Hobbs would get smashed by the greatest bowler ever at the age of 45? That is meant to prove something?
I'm saying that at 47 years old you don't have the reflexes or eyes required to take on anything close to that level.
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Didn't realize this existed.
Now I've started to think whether we are worse than Pakpassion or not.

@capt_Luffy are we still the "elite" now?
In our defence, there's a good chance that 50% of people at PakPassion have never heard of Hobbs.
 

sayon basak

Cricketer Of The Year
See how they treat Pakistani cricket as the cutoff point for when Cricket becomes valid?
That's exactly what I'm saying. But there are quite a few nationally biased individuals here too.

And the name "Pak"Passion is a dead giveaway.
 

DrWolverine

International Vice-Captain
Hobbs is the greatest batsman before Bradman.


I find it hard to compare him with modern day greats since the game is evolved and more professional today.
 

sayon basak

Cricketer Of The Year
Hobbs is the greatest batsman before Bradman.


I find it hard to compare him with modern day greats since the game is evolved and more professional today.
You find it hard≠It's actually hard.

The Game has evolved since Don's time too. Should we stop rating him above modern day greats?
 

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
What's your point? For us to not rate Hobbs?
Hobbs is the greatest batsman before Bradman.


I find it hard to compare him with modern day greats since the game is evolved and more professional today.
I think Hobbs was the greatest batsman before Bradman, think he's also the closest batsman to Bradman, to the point where I don't think they're far apart at all. Like same tier.

But as stated above, I find it hard to rate or compare him to post war batsmen. There's the fact we can never seen him in action, the lbw rules, and the limited competition. He was a batsman who was at his absolute peak before WWI, an era I generally don't rate with cricketers who emerged between the wars, and for many of the same reasons listed above.
I've similarly never seen Barnes, none of us can even agree with what he bowled and it's impossible to believe the Barnes ball. His record is awfully skewed by a minnow team where he gorged his numbers and enhanced his reputation.

So no, I rate Hobbs quite highly, just can't quite place him in an AT team scenario as I have no idea how he would go. Think quite a few of us are in that range or higher, that he was in at the time he retired, someone of that age couldn't survive today, not averaging 60 for sure. That just calls the level of quality a bit into doubt for me.

But to answer your question, no, that's not the objective.
 
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kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
That's true for Sobers and Richards as well though.
You think Sobers or Viv would struggle to adjust to this level of bowling?

The only active bowler than comes close to what Hadlee, Lillee etc could produce is Bumrah. They aren't faster, swing it more and definitely not fitter.
 

Johan

International Coach
why doesn't Boycott being 43-45 and scoring runs in county in 1980s also eliminate the credebility of bowlers from the 80s?
 

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