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It's gotten harder to take seven wickets in an innings (especially for fast bowlers)

Starfighter

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What do Morne Morkel, Peter Siddle, Vernon Philander, Mitchell Starc, Trent Boult, Josh Hazlewood, Graeme Swann and Kemar Roach all have in common? They're bowlers with extended careers who have not - and in the retired cases, never will - taken seven wickets in an innings. You would be hard pressed to find bowlers with careers so long and successful who had not done so in prior eras (though Tate, Garner and Streak are three prominent ones).

The seven-for is sort of like the bowler's equivalent of the double century. In Australia there have only been two since I started watching around 2010, compared to sixteen double centuries, although our hard, flat pitches have meant Australia has never been a good place for taking big hauls of wickets. However, I've done some rough calculations and it seems that from the thirties to the nineties double centuries and seven fors had about the same frequency. Now, double centuries are almost twice as frequent. This isn't just a function of more double centuries, though their frequency has increased from about one every 300 innings as defined by Cricinfo (i'm not entirely sure what it's actually measuring) to one in 200. The frequency of seven-fors has decreased to about 1 in 400 innings.

Unlike previous eras, the list of big hauls is also now dominated by spin bowlers, and three bowlers in particular (Herath, Ashwin and Lyon). Now I'm not sure how reliable Cricinfo's data is - and there's quite bit missing, but the 2010s was first decade since the sixties in which classified spin innings exceeded pace innings. This probably reflects a relative decrease in the volume of cricket played by WI, SA and NZ compared to Asia (and Pakistan's exile as well). But spin exceeded pace in the sixties too (by more slightly more) yet the proportion of seven-fors was slightly in favour of pace. Now spinners take them at nearly double the rate. The only other decades since WWI where spin exceeds pace is the fifties and thirties (the latter a very pace unfriendly period). The gap in frequencies used to be about 100 in favour of pace, now it's one in 272 for spin and one in 463 for pace - a dramatic reversal.

Bigger hauls have become less common for pace but more for spin, with one six wicket innings every 73 innings for both now compared to 56 and 102 respectively in the eighties. But the proportion of seven-fors has dropped, especially for pace. The percentage of 7+ out of 6+ has dropped from about 30% in prior decades to 16% in the 2010s for pace, and declined about 5% for spin.
 
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TheJediBrah

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You said it yourself. Re. the pace v spin, more cricket in Asia probably accounts for a lot of that. And WI being more spin friendly.
 

honestbharani

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Nah, I think it has got something to do with captains not giving long spells to fast bowlers too, tbh. A spinner is more likely to bowl a longer spell in conditions that help him than a seamer, even accounting for the general lower SR for the pace bowlers. With so much more cricket being played at the international level, most captains are ok to cut off spells of their main fast bowlers a tad earlier than was perhaps the norm even 20-30 years ago.
 

TheJediBrah

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Nah, I think it has got something to do with captains not giving long spells to fast bowlers too, tbh. A spinner is more likely to bowl a longer spell in conditions that help him than a seamer, even accounting for the general lower SR for the pace bowlers. With so much more cricket being played at the international level, most captains are ok to cut off spells of their main fast bowlers a tad earlier than was perhaps the norm even 20-30 years ago.
I don't know if this is true, but it would definitely affect it if it was, and it makes sense. More cricket in Asia would a bigger factor though, if not the biggest in the difference IMO. Though I'm sure there are plenty of factors.

Most teams still only play 1 spinner outside Asia so when it comes to 4th and 5th day wearing wickets they are the ones bowling nearly half the overs a lot of the time. Not sure if this has changed over the years though so maybe not particularly relevant, but when you have 3-4 quicks in seaming conditions they're more likely to share the wickets around than 1 or 2 spinners on a Bunsen.
 
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Line and Length

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TJB makes a valid point (" when you have 3-4 quicks in seaming conditions they're more likely to share the wickets around than 1 or 2 spinners on a Bunsen"). In the past teams had 2 main strike bowlers backed by a medium pacer and an all-rounder (eg Lillee and Thomson backed by Walker and Walter) when using the new ball. Now teams seem to have 3 and sometimes 4 strike bowlers.
 

honestbharani

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TJB makes a valid point (" when you have 3-4 quicks in seaming conditions they're more likely to share the wickets around than 1 or 2 spinners on a Bunsen"). In the past teams had 2 main strike bowlers backed by a medium pacer and an all-rounder (eg Lillee and Thomson backed by Walker and Walter) when using the new ball. Now teams seem to have 3 and sometimes 4 strike bowlers.
Compared to the 60s, probably yes but the 90s had similar make up of attacks and a bunch of them got 7-fers. I feel it is also because they bowl lesser overs in a spell.
 

Coronis

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What do Morne Morkel, Peter Siddle, Vernon Philander, Mitchell Starc, Trent Boult, Josh Hazlewood, Graeme Swann and Kemar Roach all have in common? They're bowlers with extended careers who have not - and in the retired cases, never will - taken seven wickets in an innings. You would be hard pressed to find bowlers with careers so long and successful who had not done so in prior eras (though Tate, Garner and Streak are three prominent ones).

The seven-for is sort of like the bowler's equivalent of the double century. In Australia there have only been two since I started watching around 2010, compared to sixteen double centuries, although our hard, flat pitches have meant Australia has never been a good place for taking big hauls of wickets. However, I've done some rough calculations and it seems that from the thirties to the nineties double centuries and seven fors had about the same frequency. Now, double centuries are almost twice as frequent. This isn't just a function of more double centuries, though their frequency has increased from about one every 300 innings as defined by Cricinfo (i'm not entirely sure what it's actually measuring) to one in 200. The frequency of seven-fors has decreased to about 1 in 400 innings.

Unlike previous eras, the list of big hauls is also now dominated by spin bowlers, and three bowlers in particular (Herath, Ashwin and Lyon). Now I'm not sure how reliable Cricinfo's data is - and there's quite bit missing, but the 2010s was first decade since the sixties in which classified spin innings exceeded pace innings. This probably reflects a relative decrease in the volume of cricket played by WI, SA and NZ compared to Asia (and Pakistan's exile as well). But spin exceeded pace in the sixties too (by more slightly more) yet the proportion of seven-fors was slightly in favour of pace. Now spinners take them at nearly double the rate. The only other decades since WWI where spin exceeds pace is the fifties and thirties (the latter a very pace unfriendly period). The gap in frequencies used to be about 100 in favour of pace, now it's one in 272 for spin and one in 463 for pace - a dramatic reversal.

Bigger hauls have become less common for pace but more for spin, with one six wicket innings every 73 innings for both now compared to 56 and 102 respectively in the eighties. But the proportion of seven-fors has dropped, especially for pace. The percentage of 7+ out of 6+ has dropped from about 30% in prior decades to 16% in the 2010s for pace, and declined about 5% for spin.
I mean, of those players you named, I’m not really surprised at any of them. Its not like these were really what you’d exactly call great bowlers, Philander would be surprising if you’re just looking at averages but he was hugely condition dependent, didn’t bowl many overs and always had a great attack around him. Tbh I would be more surprised to find out that any of these blokes had taken 7 in an innings.
 

Starfighter

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For the 'less overs in a spell' theory proponents, firstly bowlers tend to be kept on when they're taking wickets, and Johnson managed two in a year despite generally bowling short spells. Plus I think the whole contention is somewhat doubtful. Are pace bowlers really bowling shorter spells than in the nineties, and why would it affect wicket taking unless they're bowling fewer overs in total?
 

Coronis

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For the 'less overs in a spell' theory proponents, firstly bowlers tend to be kept on when they're taking wickets, and Johnson managed two in a year despite generally bowling short spells. Plus I think the whole contention is somewhat doubtful. Are pace bowlers really bowling shorter spells than in the nineties, and why would it affect wicket taking unless they're bowling fewer overs in total?
Idk about shorter spells but compared to the 90’s the average overs per innings seem to be a few less for pace bowlers.
 

honestbharani

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firstly bowlers tend to be kept on when they're taking wickets,
That is the point, captains are more happy to take off a bowler after 5 or 6 overs today even if they have just gotten a wicket or two than earlier. And workload management is more of a priority in the case of the #1 or #2 seamer who are most likely to get the hauls anyways. So you see a lot of fast bowlers taken off after taking a 5fer or a 6fer etc.
 

Pup Clarke

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To turn the question on its head slightly, do we think any of the current quicks mentioned (Starc, Boult, Hazlewood or Roach) will take a 7-for in their test career?
 

Coronis

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To turn the question on its head slightly, do we think any of the current quicks mentioned (Starc, Boult, Hazlewood or Roach) will take a 7-for in their test career?
At this point, Starc, Boult and Hazlewood would probably need injuries to other bowlers on their teams. I doubt Roach will either.
 

_00_deathscar

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Yea Bumrah's taken a 6-fer and he's only played like 10 tests. One more West Indies wicket in that ridiculous spell and he'd have had a 7.
 

Red

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To turn the question on its head slightly, do we think any of the current quicks mentioned (Starc, Boult, Hazlewood or Roach) will take a 7-for in their test career?
Starc's a guy you can imagine getting on a roll one day and just demolishing a tail, so I'd say he's the most likely to get a big bag.
 

the big bambino

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Guessing different make up of attacks so pace men share their wickets now. I'd also reckon with Australia's reliance on spin and us playing a large percentage of tests back then, accounts for spin bowling more overs in the 30s.
 

Immenso

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I could definitely see Starc going into a Broad-like beast mode in an innings where it all clicks and he is unplayable.= and runs thrugh a line up.
 

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