Is imran overated as bowler

[Sliferxxxx]

Umm, my top 10

Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Steyn
Ambrose
Imran
Lillee
Donald
Holding
Wasim

After my ten I have these next 15 to complete a top 25. Again in no particular order:

Holding
Garner
Waqar
Lindwall
Davidson
Walsh
Pollock S
Roberts
Anderson
Willis
Statham
Fazal
Bedser
Bishop
Ahktar

**I'm not including active bowlers

 

[PlayerComparisons]

After my ten I have these next 15 to complete a top 25. Again in no particular order:

Holding
Garner
Waqar
Lindwall
Davidson
Walsh
Pollock S
Roberts
Anderson
Willis
Statham
Fazal
Bedser
Bishop
Ahktar

**I'm not including active bowlers

I would have Miller there too instead of one of the last four

 

[Sliferxxxx]

I would have Miller there too instead of one of the last four

That's perfectly fine.

 

[sayon basak]

Holding
Garner
Waqar
Lindwall
Davidson
Walsh
Pollock S
Roberts
Anderson
Willis
Statham
Fazal
Bedser
Bishop
Ahktar

No Snow?

 

[sayon basak]

Akram? No
Donald & Holding? Yes
IMO

Akram is arguably better than Donald & Holding.

 

[The Sean]

I would have Miller there too instead of one of the last four

No Snow?

Agreed, and I reckon you could add Hall and Johnston as well.

Edit - not necessarily talking replacements as it's in no particular order, more just expanding from 25 to 30!

 

[sayon basak]

As I rate Broad close to Akhtar, I'd assume Broad would be somewhere in the top 30/35.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Peter Pollock and Chris Woakes deserve a mention as well

 

[sayon basak]

Peter Pollock and Chris Woakes deserve a mention as well

Remember, the conversation is always about "Best after Woakes".

 

[Sliferxxxx]

No Snow?

Any of Statham, Adcock, Asif, Johnston, Fanie, Croft, etc could be included in the top 25. After about 20 or so it really is a toss up.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Woakes
McGrath/Marshall/Hadlee
Ambrose/Steyn/Barnes/Imran
Akram/Lillee/Donald

 

[Johan]

Statham is certainly a superior bowler to Snow overall surely

 

[Swamp Witch Hattie]

Every team of his era had biased umpires and tampered with the ball. It's just an assumption that he benefitted especially from it but nobody docks points from the others.

Subz, as far as I'm aware, no other bowler of that era had a bottle top company named after themselves except Imran who had Imran Crown Cork. Their website says they started in 1981 but if you look up the LinkedIn profile of founding member, Iqbal Karim, you can more precisely pin down the establishment date to April 1981:




Imran Crown Cork would have expected Imran to make use of its products to show potential buyers just how good those products were so it's reasonable to assume that that's what Imran did. We should therefore take a close look at Imran's performances before and after Imran Crown Cork went into production so that we can evaluate the quality of the company's products back in the 1980s:

Imran's Test bowling record before Imran Crown Cork:



And after Imran Crown Cork:



Working from his average, you can see that Imran's bowling improved by a factor of 29.44/19.18 = 1.535.

Once Imran Crown Cork had sorted Imran's bowling, he was able to focus almost exclusively on his batting which then showed an even more dramatic improvement:

Before Imran Crown Cork:



After Imran Crown Cork:



Working from his average, you can see that Imran's batting improved by a factor of 49.50/24.64 = 2.009.

Adopting a multiplicative model, and ignoring other disciplines like fielding and captaincy, Imran as a cricketer improved by a factor of 1.535 x 2.009 = 3.084.

The magnitude of this factor is such as to have significant functional consequences. Mentally, it's equivalent to an imbecile (IQ < 50) becoming a genius (IQ > 150). Physically, it's equivalent to a 98-pound weakling turning into a 98 x 3.084 = 302-pound behemoth, i.e. Hulk Hogan.

Imran Crown Cork currently produces 1500 million metal bottle tops per year (bottom of the webpage and euphemistically referred to as "crown corks") which is a much greater output than in Imran's cricketing heyday because it takes many more such bottle tops to scratch your way out of Central Jail Rawalpindi than to gouge up a cricket ball:

 

[subshakerz]

Subz, as far as I'm aware, no other bowler of that era had a bottle top company named after themselves except Imran who had Imran Crown Cork. Their website says they started in 1981 but if you look up the LinkedIn profile of founding member, Iqbal Karim, you can more precisely pin down the establishment date to April 1981:

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Imran Crown Cork would have expected Imran to make use of its products to show potential buyers just how good those products were so it's reasonable to assume that that's what Imran did. We should therefore take a close look at Imran's performances before and after Imran Crown Cork went into production so that we can evaluate the quality of the company's products back in the 1980s:

Imran's Test bowling record before Imran Crown Cork:

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And after Imran Crown Cork:

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Working from his average, you can see that Imran's bowling improved by a factor of 29.44/19.18 = 1.535.

Once Imran Crown Cork had sorted Imran's bowling, he was able to focus almost exclusively on his batting which then showed an even more dramatic improvement:

Before Imran Crown Cork:

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After Imran Crown Cork:

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Working from his average, you can see that Imran's batting improved by a factor of 49.50/24.64 = 2.009.

Adopting a multiplicative model, and ignoring other disciplines like fielding and captaincy, Imran as a cricketer improved by a factor of 1.535 x 2.009 = 3.084.

The magnitude of this factor is such as to have significant functional consequences. Mentally, it's equivalent to an imbecile (IQ < 50) becoming a genius (IQ > 150). Physically, it's equivalent to a 98-pound weakling turning into a 98 x 3.084 = 302-pound behemoth, i.e. Hulk Hogan.

Imran Crown Cork currently produces 1500 million metal bottle tops per year (bottom of the webpage and euphemistically referred to as "crown corks") which is a much greater output than in Imran's cricketing heyday because it takes many more such bottle tops to scratch your way out of Central Jail Rawalpindi than to gouge up a cricket ball:

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Ok.

 

[Fanboy375]

I think we should downplay Imran bowling in home and rate highly of his bowling in away soil because compare to other umpires Pak umpires were extremely biased

 

[Johan]

can Imran give me a few thousand bottlecaps? I gotta save them for 2077

 

[Fanboy375]

wasim>imran

Yeah also Wasim era Pak pitch was more batting friendly

 

[Fanboy375]

Btw Kapil was a better bowler than Botham

In prime Botham was better bowler (and probably above peak Waqar) that was only for few years.Botham had injury problem while Imran get better over time

 

[capt_Luffy]

In prime Botham was better bowler (and probably above peak Waqar) that was only for few years.Botham had injury problem while Imran get better over time

Purely as bowlers, Prime Botham is not inthe same playing field with Prime Imran

 

[kyear2]

Akram is arguably better than Donald & Holding.

Can go either way. Personally prefer Donald of the 3