Hutton vs V. Richards

[shortpitched713]

Two batsmen with incredible careers. I think can get overlooked a bit, Viv for late career drop off, Hutton due to the whole Bradman overlapping his career.

Who was a greater batsman?

 

[BazBall21]

Very hard.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Viv because he had to face significantly better bowling attacks.

 

[BazBall21]

Viv because he had to face significantly better bowling attacks.

Yeah. My reasoning for voting Viv too.

 

[Jumno]

Viv had to face slightly better attacks-lillee, thomo, Hadlee, Botham, eng pacers, ik, Qadir, Wasim peak, sarfraz, Indian spinners, Kapil Dev

Viv for me

 

[Coronis]

Hutton easily.

 

[shortpitched713]

Hutton easily.

Why, good sir?

 

[kyear2]

For some this is a quality vs quantity argument.
If I remember correctly believe Coronis thinks that Richards peak was just too brief. But I believe the quality of that peak, the savagery of his assaults added to the list of bowlers he had to face overcomes the brevity of it.

 

[Line and Length]

For me it's Hutton

First and foremost he was an opener and openers face fresh bowlers with a new ball.

Secondly, his career spanned WWII thus loosing much of his career'.

Thirdly, he faced Davidson and Miller who attacked a perceived weakness - limitations against short pitched deliveries as his hooking was restricted following an injury incurred during the war.

 

[Prince EWS]

For some this is a quality vs quantity argument.
If I remember correctly believe Coronis thinks that Richards peak was just too brief. But I believe the quality of that peak, the savagery of his assaults added to the list of bowlers he had to face overcomes the brevity of it.

Hutton's peak was awesome as well though.

Using standardised averages to find cricketers' best five year peaks, Viv was right up there - but Hutton was even better:

Five years:
1. DG Bradman (Aus) - 116.39 (8 Mar 1929 - 18 Aug 1934) - 5.00 years
2. JB Hobbs (Eng) - 80.09 (11 Mar 1910 - 31 Dec 1920) - 5.20 years
3. WR Hammond (Eng) - 76.24 (23 Jun 1928 - 31 Mar 1933) - 5.04 years
4. S Chanderpaul (WI) - 73.80 (7 Jun 2007 - 21 Nov 2012) - 5.10 years
5. L Hutton (Eng) - 73.16 (27 Dec 1948 - 30 Mar 1954) - 5.01 years
6. SJ McCabe (Aus) - 70.95 (10 Feb 1933 - 24 Jun 1938) - 5.17 years
7. JH Kallis (SA) - 70.25 (15 Mar 2002 - 2 Jan 2008) - 5.04 years
8. KF Barrington (Eng) - 68.80 (17 Aug 1961 - 27 Jul 1967) - 5.14 years
9. AD Nourse (SA) - 68.59 (18 Feb 1939 - 21 Jun 1951) - 5.07 years
10. C Hill (Aus) - 68.54 (13 Dec 1897 - 11 Dec 1903) - 5.52 years
11. GS Sobers (WI) - 68.40 (13 Apr 1962 - 6 Dec 1968) - 5.06 years
12. AB de Villiers (SA) - 68.24 (3 Jan 2009 - 12 Feb 2014) - 5.03 years
13. IVA Richards (WI) - 67.62 (23 Jan 1976 - 30 Jan 1982) - 5.25 years
14. SR Tendulkar (Ind) - 67.60 (11 Feb 1993 - 25 Mar 1998) - 5.14 years
15. HM Amla (SA) - 67.35 (3 Jan 2010 - 2 Jan 2015) - 5.01 years
16. GA Headley (WI) - 67.34 (11 Jan 1930 - 21 Jan 1948) - 5.14 years
17. PBH May (Eng) - 66.87 (17 Dec 1954 - 6 Jan 1960) - 5.07 years
18. H Sutcliffe (Eng) - 66.84 (10 Jul 1926 - 2 Dec 1932) - 5.05 years
19. RN Harvey (Aus) - 65.92 (6 Feb 1948 - 9 Jul 1953) - 5.13 years
20. RT Ponting (Aus) - 65.78 (2 Aug 2001 - 1 Dec 2006) - 5.00 years
21. CL Walcott (WI) - 65.63 (8 Feb 1952 - 13 Mar 1958) - 5.04 years
22. WL Murdoch (Aus/Eng) - 65.58 (6 Sep 1880 - 12 Dec 1884) - 5.00 years
23. KC Sangakkara (SL) - 65.56 (25 May 2006 - 3 Nov 2011) - 5.07 years
24. AR Border (Aus) - 65.38 (26 Dec 1982 - 29 Jan 1988) - 5.12 years
25. Hanif Mohammad (Pak) - 65.37 (11 Oct 1956 - 31 May 1962) - 5.10 years
26. DCS Compton (Eng) - 64.79 (10 Jun 1938 - 12 Aug 1950) - 5.00 years
27. R Dravid (Ind) - 64.28 (10 Nov 2000 - 20 Sep 2005) - 5.13 years
28. SR Waugh (Aus) - 63.08 (3 Jun 1993 - 2 Jan 1999) - 5.07 years
29. ED Weekes (WI) - 62.55 (8 Feb 1952 - 4 Jul 1957) - 5.07 years
30. VS Hazare (Ind) - 62.36 (28 Nov 1947 - 21 Jan 1953) - 5.02 years

 

[kyear2]

Really need to pay attention, thought this was another Hammond thread. Will have to revisit my vote, I rate Hutton extremely highly specifically because of how he overcame his injury, his ability to break Bradman's record with him standing in the covers and the quality and variety of bowlers he faced

 

[Prince EWS]

Hutton's peak was awesome as well though.

Using standardised averages to find cricketers' best five year peaks, Viv was right up there - but Hutton was even better:

Paging @trundler for the high Clem Hill ranking.

 

[The Sean]

Hutton's peak was awesome as well though.

Using standardised averages to find cricketers' best five year peaks, Viv was right up there - but Hutton was even better:

Stan McCabe.

 

[Prince EWS]

Stan McCabe.

Was happy to see Billy Murdoch high up on a list like that too. Under-rated by statsguruers because of the conditions in the 19th century.

 

[Coronis]

Why, good sir?

One was top quality his whole career and didn’t have a marked dip in quality. Even without taking into account (which I generally don’t - same with Tendulkar’s elbow) that he also came back from a war injury.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Hutton's peak was awesome as well though.

Using standardised averages to find cricketers' best five year peaks, Viv was right up there - but Hutton was even better:

Would be curious to know on where Steve Smith peak would rank? Didn’t expect Stan McCabe at no.6!

 

[Coronis]

Paging @trundler for the high Clem Hill ranking.

No sign of Trumper - think we solved that comparison 100%

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Tbh Tough to choose but went with Hutton due to being the best opener of last 100 years and arguably all time.

 

[Prince EWS]

Would be curious to know on where Steve Smith peak would rank? Didn’t expect Stan McCabe at no.6!

No update since 2019 so can't model Smith.

 

[subshakerz]

Viv. What he achieved from 76 to 80/81 was historically unparalled.