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How would you Pick Englands ODI team After the world cup

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
If anyone thinks Panesar is solely an "attacking" spinner in ODI's, then watch him bowl against Aus at the MCG again.

I guess the only worrying thing is that it may take away from his effectiveness in Test cricket if he gets too used to bowling in ODI's, but I'd doubt it.
 

open365

International Vice-Captain
O...K...

Be imprudent to ask why?
For some reason i had him grouped in my "David leatherdale" list of FC cricketers that Are always heralded as being unsung heroes by commentators but are acctualy just ****.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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James Foster and Ryan Sidebottom? Haven't they proven substandard when they were picked?
Foster wasn't a useless Test batsman. He has a higher average than Jones, though admittedly that says more about Jones than Foster.

Regardless, he appears to have improved as a batsman since he was picked. That said, he's never done much in one-day cricket, so I don't see why he'd be in an ODI team.

Regarding Ryan Sidebottom, he's only played one Test and 2 ODIs. He's bowled 34 international overs in total. How does he qualify as useless from that number? Beside the fact that he's a much better bowler now - at 29 - than he was then - at 24 (?).
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
If Blackwell is so talented, why is his domestic-one-day record so utterly modest?
Because he plays at Taunton. Admittedly that's inflated his batting average, but whichever way you look at it, the man is no worse a bowler than Dalrymple.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
If anyone thinks Panesar is solely an "attacking" spinner in ODI's, then watch him bowl against Aus at the MCG again.

I guess the only worrying thing is that it may take away from his effectiveness in Test cricket if he gets too used to bowling in ODI's, but I'd doubt it.
I wouldn't doubt it.

A point some people might do well to realise is that "attack" and "defence" (in cricketing terms, at least) are not polar-opposites, nor are they skills in themselves - they're each an end from the means of several skills.

One of which - accuracy - contributes greately to both attacking potency and defensive power.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
For some reason i had him grouped in my "David leatherdale" list of FC cricketers that Are always heralded as being unsung heroes by commentators but are acctualy just ****.
Well David Leatherdale was a decent First-Class batsman but his List-A-OD record with the bat is terrible. As a bowler he took wickets but usually went for plenty.

Martin-Jenkins, on the other hand, is actually rather a good one-day bowler, and can also bat a bit in the one-day game. In the First-Class game, it's the other way around.

So yes, he's definately better than the "actually just ****" category.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Because he plays at Taunton. Admittedly that's inflated his batting average, but whichever way you look at it, the man is no worse a bowler than Dalrymple.
Even at Derbyshire his bowling record was hardly crash-hot. ER 4.85, only marginally lower than Somerset (4.98).

And to that end, it makes no sense that, were he to have a long ODI career, his ER would remain at 4.32.

The same, incidentally, applies to Dalrymple and Yardy. Both have very poor domestic records with the ball.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Foster wasn't a useless Test batsman. He has a higher average than Jones, though admittedly that says more about Jones than Foster.

Regardless, he appears to have improved as a batsman since he was picked. That said, he's never done much in one-day cricket, so I don't see why he'd be in an ODI team.
Which is why I said "hasn't he proven substandard when picked" to a thread about ODI teams.

I quite agree that Foster is probably these days a better long-game batsman than Jones (though his Test record makes him look better than he was, and to think that people were ever countenancing selecting him ahead of genuine class like Stewart beggars belief) but equally Steven Davies seems a far more appropriate pick should he continue his recent seasons' form.
Regarding Ryan Sidebottom, he's only played one Test and 2 ODIs. He's bowled 34 international overs in total. How does he qualify as useless from that number? Beside the fact that he's a much better bowler now - at 29 - than he was then - at 24 (?).
How'd you know that? I'd say he's more or less exactly the same now as when he made his Test and ODI debuts (at a time when he wasn't even in Yorkshire's strongest XI).

It baffled me that a player not even good enough for his county's strongest XI should get anywhere near international cricket, and it was fitting that he played as briefly as he did.
 

Dan

Global Moderator
1) Loye
2) Trescothick
3) Bell
4) Pietersen
5) Collingwood
6) Flintoff
7) Batty/Prior
8) Dalrymple
9) Gough
10) Anderson
11) Panesar

With Flintoff a 10 over bowler and Collingwood and Dalrymple very handy bowlers, you only need 3 specialist bowlers. In this team you have 6 quality bowlers plus KP can bowl 1 or 2 if required.
 

shortpitched713

International Regular
With Flintoff a 10 over bowler and Collingwood and Dalrymple very handy bowlers, you only need 3 specialist bowlers. In this team you have 6 quality bowlers plus KP can bowl 1 or 2 if required.
Calling Dalrymple a quality anything, especially a bowler, would seem to be pushing it.
 

FBU

International 12th Man
1. Trescothick
2. Benning
3. Cook - to improve his fielding
4. Pietersen - to play for the team rather than himself
5. Collingwood (c)
6. Flintoff
7 Read
8 Blackwell - to improve his batting
9 Plunkett
10 Broad
11 Anderson

12 Pettini
13 Gidman
14 SJones - to take to ODIs as quickly as Test cricket
15 Panesar - to be swopped with Blackwell in the right conditions and to be used as an attacking spinner rather than someone to milk singles off.

Coach - Adam Hollioake
Batting coach - Andy Flower
Bowling coach - Mike Watkinson
Fielding coach - Collingwood
 

Jamee999

Hall of Fame Member
  1. Trescothick
  2. Loye
  3. Bell
  4. Pietersen
  5. Collingwood
  6. Flintoff
  7. Bopara
  8. Nixon
  9. Plunkett
  10. Broad
  11. Anderson (Panesar if track is good for spinners)

10 overs from Collingwood/Bell/Pietersen/Bopara should be no problem.
 

open365

International Vice-Captain
[*]Trescothick
[*]Loye
[*]Bell
[*]Pietersen
[*]Collingwood
[*]Flintoff
[*]Bopara
[*]Nixon
[*]Plunkett
[*]Lewis
[*]Anderson (Panesar if track is good for spinners)
 

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