How many all-rounders would you have in your test and LOI XIs?

[subshakerz]

Of course this depends on the quality of players you have available and where you play. But assume you are building a top tier quality team for all-conditions. You have the below all-rounders available.

-A batting all-rounder averaging early to mid 40s with the bat and 35 with the ball
-A no-rounder or mixed all-rounder who is neither specialist bowler or batsman, averaging 28 with bat and 35 with the ball.
-A bowling all-rounder averaging mid to late 20s with the ball and 28 with the bat

You can only include a max of two and can't pick the batting and bowling allrounder together.

What all-rounders would you pick in your test and LOI XIs?

 

[Himannv]

@honestbharani

 

[Nintendo]

Of course this depends on the quality of players you have available and where you play. But assume you are building a top tier quality team for all-conditions. You have the below all-rounders available.

-A batting all-rounder averaging early to mid 40s with the bat and 35 with the ball
-A no-rounder or mixed all-rounder who is neither specialist bowler or batsman, averaging 30 with bat and 35 with the ball.
-A bowling all-rounder averaging mid to late 20s with the ball and 30 with the bat

You can only include a max of two and can't pick the batting and bowling allrounder together.

What all-rounders would you pick in your test and LOI XIs?

I wouldn't have more than three allrounders in my ODI xi. You pick four ATG bowlers (Wasim, starc, mcgrath, Warne, Murali, garner, etc, dont think it matters too much aside from semantics. Then you put an allrounder at 7, whether that be kluesner, Flintoff, kapil, imran or whoever you prefer. Viv bats 4 and he's a batting allrounder by your criteria, then you put together your 5 and 6 with two from bevan, dhoni, buttler, ABDV, etc. Three is undisputably kohli IMO, but I can get arguments for punter, or Dean Jones, or someone like that aswell. Then you pick two openers, Sachin is one, then you pick your second, I prefer a batting allrounder like Jayasuriya or Watson their, but if you've gone with a middle order of ABDV and bevan you could go Gilchrist instead.

TLDR:
1.Sachin
2.Watson/Jayasuriya AR
3.Kohli
4.VIV AR
5.ABDV/Buttler
6 Dhoni / bevan
7. Flintoff/kluesner/kapil/imran AR
8. Wasim
9.Warne/Garner
10.Garner/Starc/waqar
11.murali

Note:If I'm picking kapil as my AR I'll probably lean towards an extra bowler who can bat a bit (starc type) to make up for the slightly lower average.

 

[honestbharani]

 

[Silver Silva]

In limited overs cricket?
My bowlers would be all rounders provided they are good enough strike bowlers ..

That means I can pick specialist bats that can play with freedom knowing there is no Tail ..

Team would look like :


1.Sachin Tendulkar
2.Adam Gilchrist (WK)
3.Brian Lara
4.Viv Richards
5.AB De Villiers
6.Jos Buttler
7.Shane Watson
8. Andrew Flintoff
9.Imran Khan (C)
10.Wasim Akram
11.Shane Warne

 

[Spikey]

your question has a key flaw for the LO XI. What is the skill level of keeper-batter? if you have a keeper batter who legitimately deserves a place in the top 6, you have a little bit more flexibility to ignore the batting all-rounder for bowling all-rounders/a "x-factor" no rounder. if you're shoehorning a keeper at number 7, you'd probably need to go the batting all-rounder.

for tests lol not even a question. batting all-rounder always

 

[kyear2]

For tests you definitely need some level of batting all rounder, who can at least fill in the rotation and bowl some tidy overs as required

 

[subshakerz]

Thanks for reading the instructions so carefully

 

[subshakerz]

For tests you definitely need some level of batting all rounder, who can at least fill in the rotation and bowl some tidy overs as required

What about the mixed all-rounder?

 

[Bolo.]

Assuming absolutely top tier specialists:

A no rounder is just not good enough to replace an elite, even if it helps the balance. They are handy in the real world, but not in this hypothetical.

In tests, the bowling AR throws the balance off one way or the other, depending on if you are playing 4/5 bowlers. Whether or not I pick the Batting AR would really depend on how many overs the bowlers can manage, if anyone else can bowl part time, if I am picking a team for a single game or longer etc.

You need an AR for ODIs. I would prefer the batting AR assuming the rest of the bowlers can't bat at all. Might change my mind if there was some extra help at the bottom.

 

[Majestic]

LOI all rounders XI :-

1. Sanath Jayasuriya
2. Shane Watson
3. Jacques Kallis
4. Steve Waugh/Hansie Cronje
5. Shakib Al Hasan
6. Lance Klusenar
7. Andrew Flintoff
8. Kapil Dev(4th option)
9. Shaun Pollock (3rd option)
10. Imran Khan (2nd option)
11. Richards Hadlee(1st option)

 

[honestbharani]

LOI all rounders XI :-

1. Sanath Jayasuriya
2. Shane Watson
3. Jacques Kallis
4. Steve Waugh/Hansie Cronje
5. Shakib Al Hasan
6. Lance Klusenar
7. Andrew Flintoff
8. Kapil Dev(4th option)
9. Shaun Pollock (3rd option)
10. Imran Khan (2nd option)
11. Richards Hadlee(1st option)

Would swap Flintoff and Klusener there.

 

[subshakerz]

Assuming absolutely top tier specialists:

A no rounder is just not good enough to replace an elite, even if it helps the balance. They are handy in the real world, but not in this hypothetical.

In tests, the bowling AR throws the balance off one way or the other, depending on if you are playing 4/5 bowlers. Whether or not I pick the Batting AR would really depend on how many overs the bowlers can manage, if anyone else can bowl part time, if I am picking a team for a single game or longer etc.

You need an AR for ODIs. I would prefer the batting AR assuming the rest of the bowlers can't bat at all. Might change my mind if there was some extra help at the bottom.

Is one all-rounder enough for ODIs?

 

[Bolo.]

Is one all-rounder enough for ODIs?

Not really.

But according to your rules, you can only pick 1 plus the no rounder. Better to throw the balance off a bit by playing an ATG specialist than sacrifice that much quality.

 

[Majestic]

Is one all-rounder enough for ODIs?

I think two all rounders are necessary.

 

[subshakerz]

LOI all rounders XI :-

1. Sanath Jayasuriya
2. Shane Watson
3. Jacques Kallis
4. Steve Waugh/Hansie Cronje
5. Shakib Al Hasan
6. Lance Klusenar
7. Andrew Flintoff
8. Kapil Dev(4th option)
9. Shaun Pollock (3rd option)
10. Imran Khan (2nd option)
11. Richards Hadlee(1st option)

Waugh/Cronje instead should be Symonds.

 

[subshakerz]

Not really.

But according to your rules, you can only pick 1 plus the no rounder. Better to throw the balance off a bit by playing an ATG specialist than sacrifice that much quality.

I think the no-rounder can pass even in a quality LOI side. Not test though.

 

[kyear2]

What about the mixed all-rounder?

In tests? Not a fan of tbh

 

[ankitj]

Tests - 0 or more
ODIs/t20s - 1 or more

 

[Bolo.]

I think the no-rounder can pass even in a quality LOI side. Not test though.

Doesn't make much sense to play the batting AR and the no rounder together. Sharing the 5th bowler duties leaves the batting a lot weaker without adding much to the bowling. Playing them as 4th and 5th bowler just seems too weak.

Assuming your no rounder and Batting AR are the same quality with the ball, I guess you could make a case that bowling AR + no rounder are > Batting AR + specialist with the bat. Not by too much though, and it would need to outweigh the advantage your other bowler has over the bowling AR. It might be pretty close, but I don't really see it.

If you are playing the bowling AR, it probably makes more sense to just ditch the no rounder in favour of the extra bowler anyway, even if it means the tail is dire. An extra ATG bowler should win you more games than a sub-par bat.