How G is an ATG?

[h_hurricane]

Jadeja is an ATVG cricketer already with an ATG record. Something similar to Mohammed Yousuf of the players I have seen.

I wouldn't rule out him ending an ATG if he continues his upward curve and delivers some high impact innings or spells abroad in the future. There haven't been too many really good spin bowling allrounders in history, Shakib being the other example.

His record of 35/24 is crazy good. Even abroad, it is like 30/35 which is serviceable and improving rapidly.

He competes with Vinoo Mankad for the second best all rounder in Indian history. Might leave Vinoo behind in a few years.

 

[Daemon]

He competes with Vinoo Mankad for the second best all rounder in Indian history. Might leave Vinoo behind in a few years.

I think Kapil Dev might have something to say about that..

 

[h_hurricane]

I think Kapil Dev might have something to say about that..

If Kapil Dev is only second best, who is the best then ?

 

[Daemon]

Ignore that, misread your post

 

[mr_mister]

Daemon self owned himself

 

[honestbharani]

Jadeja is an ATVG cricketer already with an ATG record. Something similar to Mohammed Yousuf of the players I have seen.

I wouldn't rule out him ending an ATG if he continues his upward curve and delivers some high impact innings or spells abroad in the future. There haven't been too many really good spin bowling allrounders in history, Shakib being the other example.

His record of 35/24 is crazy good. Even abroad, it is like 30/35 which is serviceable and improving rapidly.

He competes with Vinoo Mankad for the second best all rounder in Indian history. Might leave Vinoo behind in a few years.

Yep.. its very tempting to have a 6,7,8 of Dhoni, Jadeja, Kapil and then of course, Kumble, Zaheer, Srinath and hopefully Bumrah 3 or 4 years from now. Will be a good bowling attack I feel in most conditions even for ATG levels.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yep.. its very tempting to have a 6,7,8 of Dhoni, Jadeja, Kapil and then of course, Kumble, Zaheer, Srinath and hopefully Bumrah 3 or 4 years from now. Will be a good bowling attack I feel in most conditions even for ATG levels.

Really? You think an attack with Srinath and Zaheer would be good for "ATG levels"?

Have you seen what other ATG attacks look like?

India would have a competitive ATG side for sure, and probably win a more often than not at home, but I wouldn't say that bowling (especially overseas) would be their strength.

 

[kyear2]

Would definitely be still behind South Africa, West Indies, Australia, Pakistan and England, possibly New Zealand as well.

 

[honestbharani]

Really? You think an attack with Srinath and Zaheer would be good for "ATG levels"?

Have you seen what other ATG attacks look like?

India would have a competitive ATG side for sure, and probably win a more often than not at home, but I wouldn't say that bowling (especially overseas) would be their strength.

Good, as in relatively speaking how it was before Jaddu and Bumrah emerged. Of course, the bowling is overall inferior to many other ATG sides in SENA conditions.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Good, as in relatively speaking how it was before Jaddu and Bumrah emerged. Of course, the bowling is overall inferior to many other ATG sides in SENA conditions.

Bumrah+Shami > Zaheer+Srinath.

Of course, the former is more on potential/limited appearances vs the latter.

 

[ankitj]

I definitely dont get why Sanga isnt placed on the Sachin/Lara level

his average as a specialist bat is crazy

Tendulkar was averaging the same after playing 21.5 years of cricket (which includes 3+ years of playing as a teenager). Then he played for 3 years too many searching for 100th hundred. So that explains Tendulkar as long as we are talking about averages exclusively.

Edit: didn't notice specialist bat part. Don't know about that one

 

[ankitj]

Also, Sangakkara's record is good but not great in SENA countries, hardest conditions for subcontinent batsmen.

 

[honestbharani]

As a rule, I think there needs to be an asterisk next to most players who found their most success in the noughties. Not that they are not greats, but 2000s was by far the easiest ever era for batsmen arguably post WW II. It is the reason why I always place players like Kallis, Sanga, even Dravid a level below Sachin and Lara. Ponting is tough to rate as he had shown glimpses of his greatness in the 90s but his peak coincided with the noughties too. So I place him in his own league, below Sachin/Lara but above Sanga/Kallis/Dravid.

 

[trundler]

Lara did Lara things which only Lara did so there's that.

 

[kyear2]

As a rule, I think there needs to be an asterisk next to most players who found their most success in the noughties. Not that they are not greats, but 2000s was by far the easiest ever era for batsmen arguably post WW II. It is the reason why I always place players like Kallis, Sanga, even Dravid a level below Sachin and Lara. Ponting is tough to rate as he had shown glimpses of his greatness in the 90s but his peak coincided with the noughties too. So I place him in his own league, below Sachin/Lara but above Sanga/Kallis/Dravid.

Think this is a fair assessment. I place Kallis a bit above the other two due to more lively home conditions as well. But that's just my personal opinion.

 

[Flem274*]

if we're putting batsmen down for tonning up on 00s motorways against crap bowlers then we need to take a look at the boomers greats skittling 35 averaging batsmen on spicy decks.

no doubt us millenials will find reasons for why you can't compare players of the 2030s/40s/50s to those of today and our childhood.

 

[honestbharani]

if we're putting batsmen down for tonning up on 00s motorways against crap bowlers then we need to take a look at the boomers greats skittling 35 averaging batsmen on spicy decks.

no doubt us millenials will find reasons for why you can't compare players of the 2030s/40s/50s to those of today and our childhood.

Which is why as much as possible I only tend to rate the players I have seen. And among the generations I have seen, the noughties were ridiculously easy for batsmen, relatively speaking.