Holding. Garner. Donald.

[subshakerz]

the difference between performance in supportive home wickets and supportive away wickets is very small for me.

The point was that you rate such performances on supportive wickets rather highly.

 

[MasterBlaster24]

To be honest, I believe that people here keep overstating Donald's record against Australia. Actually, his record versus Australia isn't that bad. His record against Australia appears to be worse because he played a couple of series against them while injured and was definitely done. He did not even play the Adelaide test against Australia in 2001 due to an injury sustained during a practice match.

"Allan Donald was not part of the South African team for the 1st Test against Australia in Adelaide in 2001. He was injured during a warm-up match against Western Australia and was not fully recovered in time for the Test series, according to CricInfo. He had been sidelined from Test cricket since March and had also injured his toe in the warm-up match, as reported by CricInfo."


Until that, he had a decent record against Australia, with a bowling average of 27.85.

Matches- 11
Wickets- 48
WPM- 4.36
Bowling average- 27.85

And again he broke down in Johannesburg test (his last test) due to a hamstring injury.

"Allan Donald sustained a hamstring injury during his last Test match against Australia in Johannesburg in 2001-02, which led to his retirement from Test cricket. The injury occurred on the first day of the first Test. He was playing in the crushing defeat by Australia. "

"It was later revealed that he was forced to give up test cricket due to flow of injuries which started to take a toll on his fitness levels and body. "

 

[DrWolverine]

Until that, he had a decent record against Australia, with a bowling average of 27.85.

Matches- 11
Wickets- 48
WPM- 4.36
Bowling average- 27.85

This is similar to McGrath’s record against SA.
Matches - 17
Wickets - 57
Average - 27.33
WPM - 3.3

 

[Thala_0710]

This is similar to McGrath’s record against SA.
Matches - 17
Wickets - 57
Average - 27.33
WPM - 3.3

McGrath has a significantly lower WPM though

 

[DrWolverine]

Yes.

McGrath has a few flaws in his record as well but he makes up with his longevity which most ATGs lack

 

[subshakerz]

To be honest, I believe that people here keep overstating Donald's record against Australia. Actually, his record versus Australia isn't that bad. His record against Australia appears to be worse because he played a couple of series against them while injured and was definitely done. He did not even play the Adelaide test against Australia in 2001 due to an injury sustained during a practice match.

"Allan Donald was not part of the South African team for the 1st Test against Australia in Adelaide in 2001. He was injured during a warm-up match against Western Australia and was not fully recovered in time for the Test series, according to CricInfo. He had been sidelined from Test cricket since March and had also injured his toe in the warm-up match, as reported by CricInfo."


Until that, he had a decent record against Australia, with a bowling average of 27.85.

Matches- 11
Wickets- 48
WPM- 4.36
Bowling average- 27.85

And again he broke down in Johannesburg test (his last test) due to a hamstring injury.

"Allan Donald sustained a hamstring injury during his last Test match against Australia in Johannesburg in 2001-02, which led to his retirement from Test cricket. The injury occurred on the first day of the first Test. He was playing in the crushing defeat by Australia. "

"It was later revealed that he was forced to give up test cricket due to flow of injuries which started to take a toll on his fitness levels and body. "

He underperformed in vital tests at his peak in the mid-90s which created this impression among Aussies of him as a soft bowler.

Specifically:
1st test 96 at home: Match in the balance after the second day and then he and the entire attack go wicketless for an entire day as Waugh and Blewett hammer them. Not the sort of performance you expect from the supposed worlds best bowler at home in an opening test.

2nd test 96 at home: he goes wicketless as Australia make a high scoring chase on a bowling wicket to win the series.

2nd test 97 in Aus: Not purely his fault, he bowls a terrific earlier spell against the Waughs but then is kept out of the attack as Aussies amass a lead and is only then brought on when too late. Australia win.

He played five series against australia and only really had worldclass figures in one.

 

[vidiq]

He underperformed in vital tests at his peak in the mid-90s which created this impression among Aussies of him as a soft bowler.

Specifically:
1st test 96 at home: Match in the balance after the second day and then he and the entire attack go wicketless for an entire day as Waugh and Blewett hammer them. Not the sort of performance you expect from the supposed worlds best bowler at home in an opening test.

2nd test 96 at home: he goes wicketless as Australia make a high scoring chase on a bowling wicket to win the series.

2nd test 97 in Aus: Not purely his fault, he bowls a terrific earlier spell against the Waughs but then is kept out of the attack as Aussies amass a lead and is only then brought on when too late. Australia win.

He played five series against australia and only really had worldclass figures in one.

Waugh was something else, dominated all the top bowlers of 90s

 

[subshakerz]

Waugh was something else, dominated all the top bowlers of 90s

Yeah. Nobody talks about that Waugh Blewett partnership but it was something else to dominate Donald Pollock in their home turf like that.

 

[sayon basak]

Now he'll start rating Waugh in his top ten.

 

[vidiq]

Now he'll start rating Waugh in his top ten.

Not top 10 bro,
My top 20 batsman list
1-Bradman
2-Hobbs
3- Steve Smith
4-Sobers
5-Viv
6-Sachin
7-Lara
8-Hutton
9-Hammond
10- Joe Root
11- Gavaskar
12- Sutcliffe
13- Steve Waugh
14- Chappell
15- Allan Border
16- Barrington
17- Kumar sangakkara
18- Kallis
19- Ricky Ponting
20- Rahul Dravid .

 

[subshakerz]

Not top 10 bro,
My top 20 batsman list
1-Bradman
2-Hobbs
3- Steve Smith
4-Sobers
5-Viv
6-Sachin
7-Lara
8-Hutton
9-Hammond
10- Joe Root
11- Gavaskar
12- Sutcliffe
13- Steve Waugh
14- Chappell
15- Allan Border
16- Barrington
17- Kumar sangakkara
18- Kallis
19- Ricky Ponting
20- Rahul Dravid .

Poor Ponting

 

[MasterBlaster24]

He underperformed in vital tests at his peak in the mid-90s which created this impression among Aussies of him as a soft bowler.

Specifically:
1st test 96 at home: Match in the balance after the second day and then he and the entire attack go wicketless for an entire day as Waugh and Blewett hammer them. Not the sort of performance you expect from the supposed worlds best bowler at home in an opening test.

2nd test 96 at home: he goes wicketless as Australia make a high scoring chase on a bowling wicket to win the series.

2nd test 97 in Aus: Not purely his fault, he bowls a terrific earlier spell against the Waughs but then is kept out of the attack as Aussies amass a lead and is only then brought on when too late. Australia win.

He played five series against australia and only really had worldclass figures in one.

In Test history, there have never been any complete bowlers. Donald cannot win games single handedly.Even McGrath wasn't very good against South Africa, so I always wanted to add that, despite what most people on this forum always claim, Donald's record versus Australia isn't all that bad when you consider it in context.

 

[subshakerz]

In Test history, there have never been any complete bowlers. Donald cannot win games single handedly.Even McGrath wasn't very good against South Africa, so I always wanted to add that, despite what most people on this forum always claim, Donald's record versus Australia isn't all that bad when you consider it in context.

Sure. But I am pointing out specific instances where he underperformed in key games clustered around the same time at his peak with games in the balance that led to his impression. I wouldn't say he failed against Aus, but clearly underperformed relative to the rest.

 

[DrWolverine]

Even McGrath wasn't very good against South Africa

Yes. McGrath underperformed against the Proteas but his teammate Warne was just extraordinary against them so we never noticed it much.

McGrath played just one 3 Test series in SriLanka and he didn’t do well. But luckily Shane Warne well in that series so we didn’t notice it much.

Donald was not that lucky since his teammate Shaun Pollock was even worse than he was so the flaw became very obvious and noticeable.

 

[shortpitched713]

Donald isn't better than Akram Lillee and likely Trueman too.

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Get in this thread, and defend your champion:

Lillee/Trueman/Akram/Donald - how would you rank them?

I appreciate the hell out of you @Pap Finn Keighl , for generating your own, original opinions. Just thought I'd let you know that. And no, I'm not saying there's a problem with the rest of you lot. ❤

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@subshakerz, and anyone else who wants to join in as well.

 

[akilana]

true, but Akram could produce magic outta nowhere in a sense that's just difficult to explain, turn games on it's head, it was a Lara-esque ability. I also think he did a lot better vs Australia and was respectable in England when English batting was good (first half of 90s) while Donald failed his difficult serieses against England.

akram did worse against england and india.. also was bad vs SA.

 

[akilana]

Yes. McGrath underperformed against the Proteas but his teammate Warne was just extraordinary against them so we never noticed it much.

McGrath played just one 3 Test series in SriLanka and he didn’t do well. But luckily Shane Warne well in that series so we didn’t notice it much.

Donald was not that lucky since his teammate Shaun Pollock was even worse than he was so the flaw became very obvious and noticeable.

mcgrath sucking vs SA doesn't get brought up as much it should be. If SA beat Australia, mcgrath's rep would have suffered..

 

[Johan]

akram did worse against england and india.. also was bad vs SA.

tore apart the West Indies though

 

[akilana]

Bit strange Donald doesn't get Akram's rep for doing the same thing. He had seam, conventional, reverse, pace, and bounce. The thing neither was top tier in was line and length. I wonder if Akram's rep would be as high if they had started at the same time.

akram's rep is higher than even marshall. akram has a lot more tool than many bowlers so people get easy impressed by that.

 

[akilana]

tore apart the West Indies though

donald also did that.