Athlai
Not Terrible
Hate the idea of banning people TBH, I'd rather he just gets his act together.
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GROUP C - New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Kenya
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Flem274*
123/5
After 10,000 posts of the same old same old I don't think there's much hope for him.
Personally I don't agree with Chappel either. A team with Chris Martin in as a frontline bowler doesn't spark my confidence. Would rather see Bradley Scott in there. But the way SP goes out of his way to be as much of a prick as possible is unacceptable.
pasag
RTDAS
I'm sorry, but unless I'm missing something, last time I checked this was a cricket forum and saying things like 'x team is mediocre' really isn't out of place. The guy is much more scathing about his own side so I don't really see the issue here of him not rating NZ and expressing that. The bolded part below is unacceptable however:
Athlai
Not Terrible
Chris Martin is in the squad, doesn't mean he is in the team for me.
Flem274*
123/5
OK I apologise to all for that. I'm sorry.
The point I'm trying to make is Fiery gets banned for the same thing SP gets away with.
Athlai
Not Terrible
I don't mean to contradict you but I would consider it baiting. Consistently posting 'rather' scathing remarks about the Black Caps on almost every NZ cricket related page is just asking for trouble for me. It happens too often to be anything else.
He knows how we feel.
No trolling/baiting - This is where you constantly make digs at a member who doesn't appreciate it with the hope of annoying them and/or getting a negative reaction out of them. Don't do it.
Flem274*
123/5
Remembering that Bracewell is our coach and the Hamish Marshall episode...
Athlai
Not Terrible
Good point. Lets hope not then.
Styris should be able to bowl 3-4 every game so I dont think we need all that many bowlers, Bond Patel Vettori I think will be very effective in this tournament, Bond with the wickets, and Patel and Vettori going for a decent economy.
I wonder what Bracewell will do though.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Yeah fair enough, wasn't really intending to push him breaking the rules so much, just wanted him to be a bit kinder to his fellow cricket enthusiasts.
Flem274*
123/5
So do I, and I'm scared for our team.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Maybe Vettori can talk some sense into him... nope... we're doomed.
Well I'm off for a night out on the town, later days mates.
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
The only way SP gets away with it is cause he doesn't swear.
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I love how some of the peasants come out of the woodwork to have a go at me as opposed to trying to pick apart my argument, which as usual people can't. NZ's team is full of mediocre players whether people like it or not (go find some players who have some true class and quality about them apart from Bond and McCullum's keeping - as people will no doubt bring this back to England, they aren't much better in that respect but they've got more experience and specialists), NZ are not the second best team in this competition, they have no quality in batting since Fleming was left out/rested/whatever, no genius factor except for Bond (but he's more of a consistent high performer anyway, but will lose a bit in effectiveness in a shortened format like this), NZ have 3 bowlers who should do well but the other two could be complete liabilities particularly given NZ need overs to be bowled at the start and at the death by someone. If teams rack up 10 an over off the 8 weaker overs and end up scoring 170-180 I struggle to see how NZ will chase it down unless it's an absolute road.
Perm
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Perm
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
New Zealand don't have a core of 7-8 classy players like some of the other nations do, I, and the rest of New Zealand accept that. However, our team always seems to perform above expectations due to self-belief, hard work and team unity, three traits that are far more team based than individual, which reflects better on the Black Caps unit. We have several weaknesses, and a lack of star performers could be considered one, and obviously is by such a judge as yourself. There is an old saying that goes "A star team will always beat a team of stars" and I think it's partiuclarly apt in this case, I'm not saying we are a 'star' team, but we can perform at a higher level than expected because of things that can't be measured on an individual basis.
Perm
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Please don't put across that you think you are better than others, particularly New Zealanders, because you aren't. It just makes you look like an egotistical wanker
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I can't make people read things I post properly.
As for when it comes to World Championships you nearly always need something more than just a team of mostly mediocre players playing well as a team - somewhere along the line a team will nearly always have to perform brilliant cricket to win a tournament like this.
As for when it comes to World Championships you nearly always need something more than just a team of mostly mediocre players playing well as a team - somewhere along the line a team will nearly always have to perform brilliant cricket to win a tournament like this.
Flem274*
123/5
Fine then, I shall pick apart your argument. The moot is "New Zealand are mediocre."
I shall go through a list of our players in the tournament however I'm unsure on the full squad.
Lou Vincent-Some beleive him to be a fast track bully and that could definitely be the case however he has had excellent form lately and has only been dropped lately due to injury and Bracewells randomness.
Brendan McCullum-Classy keeper, not sure if he will make much of a top order batter yet in 20/20 he might be good up there as it fits his style
Ross Taylor-Flawed technique in my books which will hurt him in tests but he has talent to burn and has been geting results, ableit inconsistently.
Peter Fulton-This man has always been a solid brick wall and lately the brick wall has shown it can bat with some devastating pace. Extremely versatile and often under rated in this country as the main attention goes to Taylor. Class act.
Scott Styris-Devastating form, can bat at any speed. The guy that you send in to do the jobs others don't want. His bowling will be excellent on the low slow pitches you name as rubbish.
Craig McMillan-Inconsistent but that can be said for half the worlds batsmen. Devastating when in form and while he is aother accussed of being a fast track bully I disagree. Those pitches in the windies were not hard and fast and he played excellently. His bowling is handy too.
Jacob Oram-Out of form but when on fire he is devastating (I'm using that word alot) His bowling, while not test standard IMO, is accurate and will infuriate other teams. The nice tennis ball like bounce he gets will prove tricky to combat.
Daniel Vettori-Excellent spinner in limited overs cricket and prehaps the second best spinner in the tournament behind Murali. Very good with bat in hand as well.
Shane Bond-Two words. World class.
Mark Gillespie-Not what I would call a limited overs bowler but does possess a good yorker which we havent seen much of in internationals. I am concerned about his bowling to left handers and the fact he's being used as a third seamer.
Jeetan Patel-Highly underrated by BC management. This bloke may well turn out better than Vettori. Had Ponting struggling in the WC when Patel was clearly disadvantaged by having to bowl with the new ball.
Chris Martin-Why why why? I'll give you this one. Mediocre limited overs bowler. Good in SA however.
Bradley Scott-Can't really say how he'll turn out yet
Gareth Hopkins-Good keeper. He's been great for Otago and hope he succeeds if given the chance.
I shall go through a list of our players in the tournament however I'm unsure on the full squad.
Lou Vincent-Some beleive him to be a fast track bully and that could definitely be the case however he has had excellent form lately and has only been dropped lately due to injury and Bracewells randomness.
Brendan McCullum-Classy keeper, not sure if he will make much of a top order batter yet in 20/20 he might be good up there as it fits his style
Ross Taylor-Flawed technique in my books which will hurt him in tests but he has talent to burn and has been geting results, ableit inconsistently.
Peter Fulton-This man has always been a solid brick wall and lately the brick wall has shown it can bat with some devastating pace. Extremely versatile and often under rated in this country as the main attention goes to Taylor. Class act.
Scott Styris-Devastating form, can bat at any speed. The guy that you send in to do the jobs others don't want. His bowling will be excellent on the low slow pitches you name as rubbish.
Craig McMillan-Inconsistent but that can be said for half the worlds batsmen. Devastating when in form and while he is aother accussed of being a fast track bully I disagree. Those pitches in the windies were not hard and fast and he played excellently. His bowling is handy too.
Jacob Oram-Out of form but when on fire he is devastating (I'm using that word alot) His bowling, while not test standard IMO, is accurate and will infuriate other teams. The nice tennis ball like bounce he gets will prove tricky to combat.
Daniel Vettori-Excellent spinner in limited overs cricket and prehaps the second best spinner in the tournament behind Murali. Very good with bat in hand as well.
Shane Bond-Two words. World class.
Mark Gillespie-Not what I would call a limited overs bowler but does possess a good yorker which we havent seen much of in internationals. I am concerned about his bowling to left handers and the fact he's being used as a third seamer.
Jeetan Patel-Highly underrated by BC management. This bloke may well turn out better than Vettori. Had Ponting struggling in the WC when Patel was clearly disadvantaged by having to bowl with the new ball.
Chris Martin-Why why why? I'll give you this one. Mediocre limited overs bowler. Good in SA however.
Bradley Scott-Can't really say how he'll turn out yet
Gareth Hopkins-Good keeper. He's been great for Otago and hope he succeeds if given the chance.