Fred Trueman vs Michael Holding

[PlayerComparisons]

Two bowlers of similar quality

 

[kyear2]

Very similar, Holding has much better showings away from home.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Fred would probably like to answer it himself

 

[kyear2]

What I find hilarious from @Johan is that a few weeks ago, he was a discussion how close to Holding was to Marshall, how his dad was it, questioned who the best of the WI from that era.

But now somehow Trueman is easily better.

 

[Johan]

What I find hilarious from @Johan is that a few weeks ago, he was a discussion how close to Holding was to Marshall, how his dad was it, questioned who the best of the WI from that era.

But now somehow Trueman is easily better.

Big fan of both guys, never said one is easily better or worse than the other. You're just hurt in your feels because I don't overrate Chappell.

 

[kyear2]

Big fan of both guys, never said one is easily better or worse than the other. You're just hurt in your feels because I don't overrate Chappell.

Would go quite that far.

Yes, he's not the best bat of the era, actually never really was. But don't understand what's with the recent separation between he and Sunny, he was an ATG batsman in a difficult era.

 

[Johan]

Yes, he's not the best bat of the era, actually never really was. But don't understand what's with the recent separation between he and Sunny, he was an ATG batsman in a difficult era.

I just think he's held to a different standard of away scrutiny than most other cricketers of ATG standard are held to. Kike Legit, I think Beefy was better.

 

[kyear2]

I just think he's held to a different standard of away scrutiny than most other cricketers of ATG standard are held to. Kike Legit, I think Beefy was better.

Beefy?

As a batsman or a cricketer?

I disagree with either, but which are you referencing.?

 

[Johan]

Beefy?

As a batsman or a cricketer?

I disagree with either, but which are you referencing.?

Botham

As a Cricketer

 

[kyear2]

Botham

As a Cricketer

Oh, yeah still definitely disagree, but though you meant as a batsman alone.

 

[Johan]

Oh, yeah still definitely disagree, but though you meant as a batsman alone.

Even a guy under 5 different kind of drugs won't claim Botham was a better batsman than Chappell

 

[kyear2]

Even a guy under 5 different kind of drugs won't claim Botham was a better batsman than Chappell

That's what I was thinking, lol

Anyways, England seems to want to sweep this game away, time for tennis.

Go Sinner

 

[PlayerComparisons]

That’s a surprising poll result. I feel like Trueman used to be rated clearly above Garner, Donald, Holding, and Akram.

 

[shortpitched713]

People are just poo pooing his proportion of home Tests, where he played better.

I don't think that explains how great he was though. Trueman was a proper strike bowler and led the attack and led to wins. I tend to like players who fit that category, so I went with him.

 

[Coronis]

Even a guy under 5 different kind of drugs won't claim Botham was a better batsman than Chappell

Surely there’s someone.

Anyway I’m not sure what your issue is with Chappell. His main weakness is a relatively poor record in England. Which is still far better than say, Root’s record in Australia

 

[sayon basak]

Even a guy under 5 different kind of drugs won't claim Botham was a better batsman than Chappell

I'm under 6.

 

[DrWolverine]

That’s a surprising poll result. I feel like Trueman used to be rated clearly above Garner, Donald, Holding, and Akram.

Most of us never saw Fred Trueman play so we have to rely on his records and it isn’t that impressive.



Great record at home.
Never played in Asia.
Averages 27.5 in Aus & 32 in Eng.

 

[sayon basak]

Most of us never saw Fred Trueman play so we have to rely on his records and it isn’t that impressive.

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Great record at home.
Never played in Asia.
Averages 27.5 in Aus & 32 in Eng.

A very interesting way of "Relying on his records".

 

[DrWolverine]

Michael Holding had an ATG series in India.
6 Tests. 30 wickets @ 22 and SR of 45.

Allan Donald never played a full proper 5 Test series but his overall record in Asia is great.
9 Tests. 36 wickets @ 20 and SR of 48.

 

[sayon basak]

Michael Holding had an ATG series in India.
6 Tests. 30 wickets @ 22 and SR of 45.

Allan Donald never played a full proper 5 Test series but his overall record in Asia is great.
9 Tests. 36 wickets @ 20 and SR of 48.

Fred Trueman not playing in Asia should be plus if anything. Asian teams back then weren't some immovable object.