Dennis Lillee vs Ravichandran Ashwin

[Johan]

Won't say worse, but not really much better either tbh

Hadlee would play as number 4 in Modern Windies setup

 

[sayon basak]

Hadlee would play as number 4 in Modern Windies setup

That's a great point. Maybe I should play him as no.4 in my AT XI?

 

[DrWolverine]

If I may ask, where would 2000's BD would be? Close?

Horrible

I think they won a 2 test match series against a second string WI team and pretty much lost everything else

 

[capt_Luffy]

Hadlee would play as number 4 in Modern Windies setup

I mean, he unironically would had played in that NZ team as a batsman as well.....

 

[sayon basak]

Horrible

I think they won a 2 test match series against a second string WI team and pretty much lost everything else

Nevermind. We were doing charity.

 

[Fanboy375]

Hadlee would play as number 4 in Modern Windies setup

He can also play in similar 90s Pak setup

 

[Fanboy375]

If I may ask, where would 2000's BD would be? Close?

I think late 2000s Ban can win some match against 80s and early 90s SL and late 90s Zim

 

[sayon basak]

I think late 2000s Ban can win some match against 80s and early 90s SL

1999-2005 was the peak BD imo.


Makes me proud

 

[Fanboy375]

1999-2005 was the peak BD imo.


Makes me proud

2007 Ban won vs Ind and SA.That is their peak in 2000s

 

[DrWolverine]

India’s worst ever moment at the World Cup was that loss to Bangladesh in 2007.

 

[Fanboy375]

Pak lost ton Ban in 1999 and Ire in 2007.

 

[MartinB]

Granted, Lillee did middling in WI in WSC but better than Ashwin did anywhere in SENA.

One of the problems I have with bowling averages is they ignore wicket quality. As far as bowling averages Glenn McGrath is the batting equal of Ponting, Larra, SRT etc.

In the WSC tour of the West Indies

• Lillee took 23 wickets at 28.39 - only 3 wickets where tail enders
• Pascoe took 14 wickets at 27.92 - 5 wickets where tail enders

Using the career Batting averages, this gives -

• Batting average of the batsmen Lillee dismissed was 36 runs per wicket
• Batting average of the batsmen Pascoe was 24.20

Lillee has delivered exactly what his captain Ian Chappell wanted from him - The best opposition batsmen quickly.

I think bowling averages (particularly at a series level) can be very misleading.

Lillee's stats would be equivalent to 5.5 wickets per test @ 23.5 strike rate of 39 at a normal wicket quality

 

[subshakerz]

One of the problems I have with bowling averages is they ignore wicket quality. As far as bowling averages Glenn McGrath is the batting equal of Ponting, Larra, SRT etc.

In the WSC tour of the West Indies

• Lillee took 23 wickets at 28.39 - only 3 wickets where tail enders
• Pascoe took 14 wickets at 27.92 - 5 wickets where tail enders

Using the career Batting averages, this gives -

• Batting average of the batsmen Lillee dismissed was 36 runs per wicket
• Batting average of the batsmen Pascoe was 24.20

Lillee has delivered exactly what his captain Ian Chappell wanted from him - The best opposition batsmen quickly.

I think bowling averages (particularly at a series level) can be very misleading.

Lillee's stats would be equivalent to 5.5 wickets per test @ 23.5 strike rate of 39 at a normal wicket quality

I am fine with all that.

To be clear, Lillee did middling in WSC in Wi by ATG standards but perhaps that was underrating it. It was still a solidly good performance.

 

[DrWolverine]

I am fine with all that.

To be clear, Lillee did middling in WSC in Wi by ATG standards but perhaps that was underrating it. It was still a solidly good performance.

Good? Yes.

When we are comparing legends, we want them to have great performances.

 

[subshakerz]

Good? Yes.

When we are comparing legends, we want them to have great performances.

Sure but compared to Ashwin in SENA, Lillee in WI that series was gold.

 

[DrWolverine]

Sure but compared to Ashwin in SENA, Lillee in WI that series was gold.

True

 

[Johan]

Trueman>Either

 

[DrWolverine]

Lillee > Trueman

 

[Johan]

Trueman was further ahead of his peers

 

[DrWolverine]

Lindwall? Davidson?