Choose one combo : Botham & Hadlee vs Kapil & Imran

[capt_Luffy]

Exaggeration though. Botham can't make up for Hadlees weakness with the bat.

Kapil may lack Bothams output but he can score high class knocks against top attacks.

Imran and Kapil has both consistency and fast scoring impact.

What Kapil really lacks is Botham's consistency.... Or given their final averages and RPIs, peak.

 

[subshakerz]

What Kapil really lacks is Botham's consistency.... Or given their final averages and RPIs, peak.

Sure but Imran is close to Bothams consistency and a more reliable bat to save a game.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Sure but Imran is close to Bothams consistency and a more reliable bat to save a game.

As a batting pair, Kapil+Imran is easily superior imo.

 

[DrWolverine]

Yeah outside of his final averages with bat and ball what Ian was able to accomplish really was insane.

A genuine match winner with both bat & ball at the same time even though it lasted only for short while.

 

[smash84]

A genuine match winner with both bat & ball at the same time even though it lasted only for short while.

Mostly against packer deprived teams wasn't it?

Although some notable performances against good teams too.

And his record against the best side of his time is atrocious.

The more i scrutinize Botham's record the worst out of the 4 he seems to be.

 

[Johan]

Mostly against packer deprived teams wasn't it?

This point could be made for a few teams here and there, like 1979 Ashes but doesn't actually help you in discrediting the vast majority of his performances like 81 Ashes or Wankhede 1980, generally an overplayed point.

 

[subshakerz]

This point could be made for a few teams here and there, like 1979 Ashes but doesn't actually help you in discrediting the vast majority of his performances like 81 Ashes or Wankhede 1980, generally an overplayed point.

The WI one is not though.

 

[smash84]

This point could be made for a few teams here and there, like 1979 Ashes but doesn't actually help you in discrediting the vast majority of his performances like 81 Ashes or Wankhede 1980, generally an overplayed point.

Might be overplayed in isolation but when you combine it with his awful record against the best side of that time it starts to reflect quite poorly. Imran, Kapil, and Hadlee all raised their game against the WI.

 

[Johan]

The WI one is not though.

1. Literally cuts out everything except the sentence I'm responding to.

2. Single down to the discussion to one sentence.

3. Literally only talk about literally the only line I'm quoting

4. STILL Subs starts talking about a point I'm not even disagreeing with.


The WSC argument is the one I cared mostly about, as if left unchallenged, it's extremely destructive for both, Botham and Gavaskar.

 

[Johan]

Might be overplayed in isolation but when you combine it with his awful record against the best side of that time it starts to reflect quite poorly. Imran, Kapil, and Hadlee all raised their game against the WI.

Imran and Hadlee were better so I've no disagreements with that, Yup Botham's record against West Indies is a hole, though, he was okay before the 1985-6 series, still rate him over Kapil however as I think they were very equivalent as bowlers but Botham was clearly a better batsman than Kapil.

 

[ashley bach]

Beefy before he was beefy was a real destroyer. But then came the beef via too much grog.

 

[subshakerz]

1. Literally cuts out everything except the sentence I'm responding to.

2. Single down to the discussion to one sentence.

3. Literally only talk about literally the only line I'm quoting

4. STILL Subs starts talking about a point I'm not even disagreeing with.

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The WSC argument is the one I cared mostly about, as if left unchallenged, it's extremely destructive for both, Botham and Gavaskar.

Dude chill

 

[Johan]

Dude chill

I'm fine just found it funny lol

 

[reyrey]

Imran and Kapil give you 15+ years or high quality bowling and solid lower order batting . Bothams longevity hurts his pairing.

 

[ma1978]

Imran and Kapil very slightly

 

[kyear2]

For bowling:

Hadlee>Imran
Botham~Kapil

The Botham-Hadlee duo has a slight edge, which is thinner as I feel Imran-Kapil have greater variety.


For batting:

Botham>Imran
Kapil>>Hadlee

Think Imran-Kapil has a clear edge here albeit not huge. Overall, very close but will prefer the better batting+variety.

Hadlee was easily better than Imran with the ball.

Botham was also comfortably ahead of Kapil as a bowler for me.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Hadlee was easily better than Imran with the ball.

Botham was also comfortably ahead of Kapil as a bowler for me.

Easily but slightly, not a big gap

Kapil is better bowler for me.

 

[kyear2]

Easily but slightly, not a big gap

Kapil is better bowler for me.

Well for me there is a gap, and a noticeable one.

Neither are AT, but Botham at his peak was much more the match winner.

Kapil was consistent, but consistently just below great, arguably world class

 

[capt_Luffy]

Well for me there is a gap, and a noticeable one.

Neither are AT, but Botham at his peak was much more the match winner.

Kapil was consistent, but consistently just below great, arguably world class

Meh. Botham failed to WI hard, Kapil dominated them. Botham had the higher highs but lower lows as well. And Kapil actually has two years in 10 most wickets calender years

 

[AndrewB]

Kapil's away bowling figures are curious - he averaged 24 in Aus/WI, and 38 overall elsewhere.