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Cant blame the world if they are laughing at us
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SJS
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,,,,,it is impossible not to be aghast by the impropriety of it. To say Greg Chappell should have known better is cynical at the best and a shameful abdication of moral values at the worst. First, the captain finds an opportune moment to make public a private conversation between him and the coach. And then a sensitive confidential letter written to the board president is made available to the media. As betrayal of trust, this must rank pretty low. Can we blame Tom Moody for saying a quiet prayer of thanks that he didn't get the job that Chappell did.
Sourav Ganguly, if he believed he commanded a place in the team, can't be faulted for feeling incensed at the suggestion from the man appointed to help him with his job that he didn't belong. He would have been within his rights to rail and remonstrate, and indeed take up the matter strongly with the board. Yet he felt compelled and emboldened by a century against the softest bowling attack in the world cricket to let the world know that his feat was achieved against great odds. God knows what was he trying to achieve? Gain public sympathy? Turn the tables on Chappell? Precipitate action from the board?
There are those who believe Chappell exceeded his brief. And that he failed to work within the system. But what was his brief? It was a brief that he wrote for himself, and the one that got him the job: a vision statement that made it clear that he was looking to build a team for the future, a team that was fit in body and mind, a team with an ambition to win. Should he be crucified for being true to his belief, and showing the courage to stand up for it? It is no secret that Ganguly backed Chappell for the job. What could Chappell possibly gain from antagonising him? And what can Indian cricket gain from Chappell being obsequious towards Ganguly?
Of course, little of this will matter to men for whom Indian cricket is a ticket to power and fame. And that's putting it the best possible way. As the sham carried out in Kolkata over the last two days has underlined once again, the welfare of cricket is generally the last item on the agenda, if it is there at all, when BCCI's powerbrokers meet to stake their claim to the booty.
Sambit Bal - Editor Cricinfo
Sourav Ganguly, if he believed he commanded a place in the team, can't be faulted for feeling incensed at the suggestion from the man appointed to help him with his job that he didn't belong. He would have been within his rights to rail and remonstrate, and indeed take up the matter strongly with the board. Yet he felt compelled and emboldened by a century against the softest bowling attack in the world cricket to let the world know that his feat was achieved against great odds. God knows what was he trying to achieve? Gain public sympathy? Turn the tables on Chappell? Precipitate action from the board?
There are those who believe Chappell exceeded his brief. And that he failed to work within the system. But what was his brief? It was a brief that he wrote for himself, and the one that got him the job: a vision statement that made it clear that he was looking to build a team for the future, a team that was fit in body and mind, a team with an ambition to win. Should he be crucified for being true to his belief, and showing the courage to stand up for it? It is no secret that Ganguly backed Chappell for the job. What could Chappell possibly gain from antagonising him? And what can Indian cricket gain from Chappell being obsequious towards Ganguly?
Of course, little of this will matter to men for whom Indian cricket is a ticket to power and fame. And that's putting it the best possible way. As the sham carried out in Kolkata over the last two days has underlined once again, the welfare of cricket is generally the last item on the agenda, if it is there at all, when BCCI's powerbrokers meet to stake their claim to the booty.
Sambit Bal - Editor Cricinfo
SJS
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Yes.shankar said:
Mr Dalmiya, realising that he may not be able to win (his nominee that is) wanted to buy time to broker further deals with the opposition and the voters. What better way to do it than use the crisis in Indian Cricket as an excuse even if it meant creating/deepening the crisis
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I am still positive that something good is going to come out of all this mess. Call it my instinct, gut feeling, whatever... I kept telling my cousins that the Zim series would probably be Ganguly's last and I still think that will be the case.
SJS
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Thats right.Anil said:
The other difference is that earlier the murkier aspects of the politics revolved around refionalism so that you could play players from one region at the cost of others while today it revolves more around the money that the game generates and is controlled in a non-transparent manner by the 'honourary (read un accountable) gentlemen of the board. The regionalism is tackled by throwing bones at the dis-honourable gentlemen who run the local bodies to buy their votes and keep them quiet (read indirect partners to the crime)
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
It is such a shame that we will probably never get to see that, isn't it?Craig said:Yeah Brian Lara and Sachin Tendulkar (at full flow) in the batting line-up and are batting together
SJS
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Here we go again _ its a former BCCI president this time !
Here are some juicy excerpts ;
He (also) spoke about Harbhajan being a perpetual defaulter in this regard (discipline) and how he was even known to tear up dietary charts whenever vexed with coaching regimens.
sorry I have to stop, this list wont end . Lets say Mr Dungarpur is a colourful many hued person.
Here are some juicy excerpts ;
Ganguly knows he has the license to kill as long as Dalmiya is there
He (Harbhajan) should concentrate on his arm, rather than talk about whether Ganguly is right or wrong,
Ganguly is so emboldened by this spineless .... former ICC chief (Dalmiya) he has now no qualms in undermining coach Greg Chappell and openly challenging him
Once a chucker always a chucker (Harbhajan)
If Dalmiya did not rule Indian cricket, Ganguly would have gone a long time ago.
They will try and thrash out a compromise, but for how long that works remains to be seen.
The same panel which appointed Chappell just three months ago is unlikely to turn against him
He (Harbhajan) should concentrate on his arm, rather than talk about whether Ganguly is right or wrong,
Ganguly is so emboldened by this spineless .... former ICC chief (Dalmiya) he has now no qualms in undermining coach Greg Chappell and openly challenging him
Once a chucker always a chucker (Harbhajan)
If Dalmiya did not rule Indian cricket, Ganguly would have gone a long time ago.
They will try and thrash out a compromise, but for how long that works remains to be seen.
The same panel which appointed Chappell just three months ago is unlikely to turn against him
He (also) spoke about Harbhajan being a perpetual defaulter in this regard (discipline) and how he was even known to tear up dietary charts whenever vexed with coaching regimens.
Raj Singh Dungarpur
- Scion of a small princely state
- Former decent first class medium pacer
- former chairman of selectors
- Former BCCI president
- Lover and , some say secretly married to, India's greatest living singing legend
- Known for having his foot perpetually in his mouth
- known for struggling/sriving but not giving up his struggle to get a Mumbai wallah back to head the BCCI
- known friend-turned-foe-turned-friend-turned foe of Dalmia and sundry other cricket administrators
- known for his radical and ever changing-ever evolving views on cricket besides everything else
- Scion of a small princely state
- Former decent first class medium pacer
- former chairman of selectors
- Former BCCI president
- Lover and , some say secretly married to, India's greatest living singing legend
- Known for having his foot perpetually in his mouth
- known for struggling/sriving but not giving up his struggle to get a Mumbai wallah back to head the BCCI
- known friend-turned-foe-turned-friend-turned foe of Dalmia and sundry other cricket administrators
- known for his radical and ever changing-ever evolving views on cricket besides everything else
sorry I have to stop, this list wont end . Lets say Mr Dungarpur is a colourful many hued person.
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SJS
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Harbhajan puts his foot in his mouth, it hurts, takes it out and tries with the other foot !!
“Koi mere pe daag lagaye to mein zaroor bolunga, chaahe iska anjaam kuchh bhi ho (If someone says wrong things about me, I will definitely speak up whatever the consequences). I will speak up even if they don’t pick me to play.”
He denied that Chappell had made any negative remarks to him directly but said he had learnt that his professionalism and integrity had been questioned. Asked whether he had been told as much by Ganguly, he denied adding that he had not spoken to Ganguly on the matter and had heard of it from the media.
“Koi mere pe daag lagaye to mein zaroor bolunga, chaahe iska anjaam kuchh bhi ho (If someone says wrong things about me, I will definitely speak up whatever the consequences). I will speak up even if they don’t pick me to play.”
He denied that Chappell had made any negative remarks to him directly but said he had learnt that his professionalism and integrity had been questioned. Asked whether he had been told as much by Ganguly, he denied adding that he had not spoken to Ganguly on the matter and had heard of it from the media.
Sanz
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Raj Singh Dungurpur isn't a pragaon of vitrue either. He, like many, is mad at Dalmiya for obvious reasons and his burst in the media is extremely childish and in poor taste. If Indian cricket is in such a poor state then Raj Singh is responsible for it too. Years ago he appointed Azhar as captain (because he was an easy puppet) over Shastri/Srikanth (who were much better leaders than Azhar) and we all know how much harm it did to the Indian cricket in 90s.
Here at one hand people are questioning Bhajji's statement to teh media and same people at the other hand are clapping and posting all the 'juicy' stories. Harbhajan is cleared by the ICC and who is dungurpur to say that 'Once a chucker always a chucker' ? Is that the kind of replacment we want for Dalmiya ? Who is he to say that Ganguly has 'No place in the future of Indian Cricket' ? Ganguly clearly has done more to Indian cricket than Rajsingh will ever do.
Ganguly made the mistake of going into the media and that's it, apart from that I dont see him doing anything wrong. It is not his job to drop himself, If his performance isn't upto the mark, then BCCI should drop him. Also I dont believe in all these speculations about Dalmiya-Ganguly-Mahindra nexus etc.
Here at one hand people are questioning Bhajji's statement to teh media and same people at the other hand are clapping and posting all the 'juicy' stories. Harbhajan is cleared by the ICC and who is dungurpur to say that 'Once a chucker always a chucker' ? Is that the kind of replacment we want for Dalmiya ? Who is he to say that Ganguly has 'No place in the future of Indian Cricket' ? Ganguly clearly has done more to Indian cricket than Rajsingh will ever do.
Ganguly made the mistake of going into the media and that's it, apart from that I dont see him doing anything wrong. It is not his job to drop himself, If his performance isn't upto the mark, then BCCI should drop him. Also I dont believe in all these speculations about Dalmiya-Ganguly-Mahindra nexus etc.
Sanz
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Everyone knows that Harbhajan has a problem with Chappell's way or working/training but this is the biggest ******** and lie I have heard about Harbhajan again and again. The truth on the matter is during his stint @ NCA (aka National Cricket Academy), Players were told about how they should have a proper diet and follow the Diet Chart given to them, but after that speech these trainees would be served with tomato Soup or some other crap food. It went on for a months or so, Harbhajan and some other guys demanded that the either Diet Chart be followed or remove it from there. Needless to say that the powers @ NCA didn't listen and eventually Bhajji (and Murali Karthik) got mad after same crap was served to them and they tore the Diet Chart.
And this is a fact, check with any journalist worth his salt and he will tell you how right I am on this.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
Ironically Sanjay Manjrekar also talks about Why Azza was made captain :-Sanz said:
"For instance, when Mohammed Azharuddin was made captain for the first time in 1990 for the tour of New Zealand, it was to break the core of senior players that was threatening the BCCI’s authority. That was an instance of politics deciding the Indian captaincy. "
http://web.mid-day.com/sports/national/2005/september/119602.htm