Bumrah vs Holding - Greater test bowler?

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[Rob Wesley]

If Bumrah retires in this month, he is still ahead of Holding in my opinion.

 

[subshakerz]

If Bumrah retires in this month, he is still ahead of Holding in my opinion.

If he can't make this full series and India lose again because of that, I won't have him ahead of Holding.

 

[h_hurricane]

While Bumrah's fitness issues are real, Holding had similar issues too. Else he would have taken a lot more than 249 wickets. Holding does not have an outlier record like Bumrah, even with the massive cordon advantage that he had. The difference between them is only 34 wickets now.

Holding was a great bowler, one of the top 15 quicks in history, but Bumrah has already surpassed him.

 

[subshakerz]

While Bumrah's fitness issues are real, Holding had similar issues too. Else he would have taken a lot more than 249 wickets. Holding does not have an outlier record like Bumrah, even with the massive cordon advantage that he had. The difference between them is only 34 wickets now.

Holding was a great bowler, one of the top 15 quicks in history, but Bumrah has already surpassed him.

Was Holdings fitness issues close to Bumrah?

Bumrah never completed a five test series.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Was Holdings fitness issues close to Bumrah?

Bumrah never completed a five test series.

Actually he has, even leaving the last BGT:

ENG vs IND Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at Nottingham, August 04 - 08, 2021

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Holding has played 3 5-match Series complete and averages 61, 41 and 31 in them. Had an ATG 6-matcher in India though.

 

[subshakerz]

Actually he has, even leaving the last BGT:

ENG vs IND Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at Nottingham, August 04 - 08, 2021

Get cricket scorecard of 1st Test, ENG vs IND, India tour of England 2021-2022 at Trent Bridge, Nottingham dated August 04 - 08, 2021.

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Holding has played 3 5-match Series complete and averages 61, 41 and 31 in them. Had an ATG 6-matcher in India though.

Give me a break, the fifth test of that was six months after. Doesn't count.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Give me a break, the fifth test of that was six months after. Doesn't count.

So..... His 5-match Test Series doesn't counts for COVID??

 

[h_hurricane]

Was Holdings fitness issues close to Bumrah?

Bumrah never completed a five test series.

It isn't just about playing 5 match series.
Holding played only 60 of the 92 matches WI played between his debut and retirement. That is a 35% miss.

 

[DrWolverine]

Maybe it has something to do with Packer series.

 

[ankitj]

Give me a break, the fifth test of that was six months after. Doesn't count.

He did play NZ just before the 4 tests against England. So workload wise that is 5 tests on the trott.

 

[subshakerz]

So..... His 5-match Test Series doesn't counts for COVID??

Yeah it doesn't as a work load test.

 

[h_hurricane]

Maybe it has something to do with Packer series.

Holding played only 9 World Series matches. From what I could find, out of these, only the 1978-79 Packer series happened when WI were playing international cricket ( 5 test tour in India). Even if we ignore this series, it is still a 31% miss.

 

[subshakerz]

He did play NZ just before the 4 tests against England. So workload wise that is 5 tests on the trott.

I mean the goal is to finish a long form series though. But I get your point.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I mean the goal is to finish a long form series though. But I get your point.

If you really are not gonna count the English tour 5th match, then you should the NZ one imo

 

[subshakerz]

If you really are not gonna count the English tour 5th match, then you should the NZ one imo

Well even that NZ test was a month and a half before the England series.

 

[Randomfan]

If bowler can bowl 5 tests without being effective, it's useless but it may help with ticking a box.

How many 4-5 tests Steyn played in one series?

 

[DrWolverine]

If bowler can bowl 5 tests without being effective, it's useless but it may help with ticking a box.

But we are not comparing him with useless bowlers.
We are comparing him with some of the greatest fast bowlers of all time so durability is an issue.

 

[subshakerz]

If bowler can bowl 5 tests without being effective, it's useless but it may help with ticking a box.

How many 4-5 tests Steyn played in one series?

Not really Steyns fault that he didn't have many such series to play in.

 

[Thala_0710]

Not really Steyns fault that he didn't have many such series to play in.

He had 8 series of 4/5 matches. He didn't play more than 3 tests in any of them.