Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
One of only 3 players in history with 4,000 runs and 300 wickets (along with Kapil and Botham).
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Boult vs Starc vs Hazelwood vs Shami
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capt_Luffy
International Coach
Yeah, but those 300 wickets came @38 against no minnows....
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Where do you put John R Reid, Oram, and De Grandhomme?
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Economical bowler, rather than strike bowler.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
@ca
How come Reid and Grandhomme be better all rounder than Vettori?
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Reid was a much better batsman and a good 5th bowler.
Grandhomme is not a better player than Vettori though he actually did quite well in the Tests he played...... I might be a bit too mean on Vettori. Last time I made a Top 60 was like 6 months ago. Might need to re-evaluate it a bit. Though I don't think Vettori will break into the Top 40 which I made 2 days ago.
After the 25:
Mushtaq Mohammad
Jack Gregory
Andrew Flintoff
Alan Davidson
Ravichandran Ashwin
Frank Worrell
Richie Benaud
Bob Simpson
Allan Steel
Brian McMillan
Trevor Bailey
George Hirst
Learie Constantine
Basil D'Oliveira
Jason Holder
Spin bowling in NZ is a hard job remember and despite being a spin A/R if a player has played 100+ tests, that huge. Grandhomme played what? 29 tests?
capt_Luffy
International Coach
I actually agree to that. Yep, Vettori should be ahead of de Grandhomme.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
De Grandhomme averaged 38.7 and 33, while Oram averaged 36.3 and 33.
In my opinion both were a lot better than Jason Holder
As well as being a decent 4th seamer
Oram's 3 overseas 100s were
133 at Centurion vs Steyn, Pollock, Ntini, and Kallis
126* at the Gabba vs McGrath, Gillespie, Kaspa, & Warne
and
101 at Lord's vs Anderson, Broad, and Sidebottom (plus Panesar & Collingwood)
In my opinion both were a lot better than Jason Holder
As well as being a decent 4th seamer
Oram's 3 overseas 100s were
133 at Centurion vs Steyn, Pollock, Ntini, and Kallis
126* at the Gabba vs McGrath, Gillespie, Kaspa, & Warne
and
101 at Lord's vs Anderson, Broad, and Sidebottom (plus Panesar & Collingwood)
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sayon basak
Cricketer Of The Year
What will you do with economy in a test match?
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Anyway, Hazlewood is the best of these 4.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Keep the runs down/bowl dry while strike bowlers rest or wait for the new ball. Also bowl into the wind etc. so faster bowlers bowl downwind
Or keep bowling dots to someone who is trying to slog with the no 11 and let your partner take the final wicket
sayon basak
Cricketer Of The Year
His economy wasn't that great considering the era he played in. 2.91 vs AUS, 2.75 vs SA is not bad, but still mediocre for an economical bowler.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Lower inflation.
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
End Bazball