capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
I also in Good conscience, can't say Tony Greig had better longevity than George Headley.
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Bill O'Reilly vs Curtly Ambrose
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sayon basak
Cricketer Of The Year
Tiger for his long fingers.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
O Reilly may have been the ATG spinner but we can't ignore small sample and it's the same reason Headley and Pollock can't be in the top ten even though they may we'll have been that good. All are still ATGs though.
sayon basak
Cricketer Of The Year
Headley and Pollock are very close to top ten, so is O'Reilly.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Maybe but Ambrose is in the top ten.
Johan
International Coach
Tiger's Ashes record is absurd in relativity to who he was bowling to. All played in Australia and England, both mostly batter supporting.
1932-33 Bodyline Series
Sutcliffe (60)
Hammond (61)
Leyland (47)
Jardine (48)
Paynter (59)
Ames (40)
with good lower order batting until #9.
Tiger took 27 wickets in 9 innings, averaged 26 and got 2 fifers and 1 tenfer
1934 English Ashes
Sutcliffe (60)
Hammond (61)
Walters (52)
Leyland (46)
Ames (40)
Hendren (47)
lower order stuff until 9.
Tiger took 28 wickets in 9 innings, averaged 24, got 2 fifers and 1 tenfer
1936-37 Australian Ashes
Hammond (60)
Leyland (46)
Ames (40)
Hardstaff (47)
lower order batting until 9 again.
Tiger took 25 wickets in 9 innings, averaged 22 and got 2 fifers.
1938 English Ashes
Hutton (56)
Hammond (61)
Compton (50)
Edrich (40)
Paynter (59)
Leyland (46)
Ames (40)
Hardstaff (47)
Leyland/Paynter/Hardstaff were rotating, lower order stuff is bat deep still, this is the famous Hutton 364 series.
Tiger took 22 wickets in 6 innings, averaged 27 and got 2 fifers
to do so well against these lineups on flat wickets mostly while not exactly having good pace support is something.
1932-33 Bodyline Series
Sutcliffe (60)
Hammond (61)
Leyland (47)
Jardine (48)
Paynter (59)
Ames (40)
with good lower order batting until #9.
Tiger took 27 wickets in 9 innings, averaged 26 and got 2 fifers and 1 tenfer
1934 English Ashes
Sutcliffe (60)
Hammond (61)
Walters (52)
Leyland (46)
Ames (40)
Hendren (47)
lower order stuff until 9.
Tiger took 28 wickets in 9 innings, averaged 24, got 2 fifers and 1 tenfer
1936-37 Australian Ashes
Hammond (60)
Leyland (46)
Ames (40)
Hardstaff (47)
lower order batting until 9 again.
Tiger took 25 wickets in 9 innings, averaged 22 and got 2 fifers.
1938 English Ashes
Hutton (56)
Hammond (61)
Compton (50)
Edrich (40)
Paynter (59)
Leyland (46)
Ames (40)
Hardstaff (47)
Leyland/Paynter/Hardstaff were rotating, lower order stuff is bat deep still, this is the famous Hutton 364 series.
Tiger took 22 wickets in 6 innings, averaged 27 and got 2 fifers
to do so well against these lineups on flat wickets mostly while not exactly having good pace support is something.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yes all this is why he is third greatest spinner ever despite small sample.
Johan
International Coach
Yes, and it's not even close, there's a literal day light between the big 3 and the ones after (Laker, Grum imo).
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
But still not in the 10 best bowlers ever. I think you need more tests to establish that.
sayon basak
Cricketer Of The Year
Sure.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
To be top ten elite it's not just overall stats and rep but also volume of work
DrWolverine
International Vice-Captain
Tony Greig played for 6 years.
George Headley played for 7 years.
But Headley is in a different league.
How about we compare similar level of players?
In that scenario the sample size for tests will matter.
Ken Barrington played for 9 years.
Graeme Pollock played for 8 years.
Ken played 80 Tests whereas Pollock played 23 Tests.
Obviously one player more opponents than the other.
Obviously one played in more places than the other.
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
Greig played more like 5 years. Headley came back after War and played a fair few games albeit being mid.
Kenny played for more years here as well.
DrWolverine
International Vice-Captain
1 year more.
That’s it.
DrWolverine
International Vice-Captain
9 years & 80 Tests or 8 years & 23 Tests
There is an obvious difference.
There is an obvious difference.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Longevity is not the same as volume of work.
To be an elite top ten you should have both IMO